Avoiding Lost Solutions in Equation Solving

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The discussion revolves around the issue of losing solutions when solving equations, particularly in the context of dividing by variables. Participants explore the implications of such operations and propose methods to avoid losing solutions in future problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that dividing both sides of the equation (x)(x+1)=0 by x leads to the loss of the solution x=0, as this operation assumes x is not equal to zero.
  • Others argue that to avoid losing solutions, one should factor the equation instead of dividing by variables, as this preserves all potential solutions.
  • A participant emphasizes that when factors are present, each factor can independently be zero, and removing one factor disregards the corresponding solution.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the validity of results from division is contingent on not dividing by zero, necessitating separate consideration of cases where factors equal zero.
  • There is a mention of LaTeX formatting for mathematical expressions, which some participants find useful for clarity in complex equations.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of not dividing by variables to avoid losing solutions, but there is no consensus on the best approach to teaching or communicating this concept effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of dividing by zero and the necessity of factoring equations. The discussion does not resolve the best practices for teaching these concepts.

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When you have the equation (x)(x+1)=0 solving will give you x=0 or x=-1. If you divide both sides by x, you get the equation x+1=0. Solving this equation gives you only x=-1. Why was a solution lost, and how can that be avoided while solving other problems?
 
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Scheuerf said:
When you have the equation (x)(x+1)=0 solving will give you x=0 or x=-1. If you divide both sides by x, you get the equation x+1=0. Solving this equation gives you only x=-1. Why was a solution lost, and how can that be avoided while solving other problems?
When you divide by a variable, you're assuming that variable is not equal to 0. If in fact, one of the solutions is 0, then you've just lost it because of your assumption with dividing by zero. To avoid this problem, do not divide by variables, but rather factorize.

A lot of students when asked to solve
x^2+x=0
would first divide through by x resulting in
x+1=0
and then solve that. Do not do this, rather factorize it into
x(x+1)=0
and then solve each factor separately.
 
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It's clear that when you have an expression with factors like $x(x+1)=0$, either of the factors can be zero and it's a solution to the equation, but if you get rid of one of the factors, you are no longer considering the solution where that factor would be zero.

Another way to think is that the results from division only make sense if you don't divide by zero. So the equation you get only makes sense if you didn't divide by zero and you have to separately consider what if the factor was zero.
 
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chingel said:
It's clear that when you have an expression with factors like $x(x+1)=0$, either of the factors can be zero and it's a solution to the equation, but if you get rid of one of the factors, you are no longer considering the solution where that factor would be zero.
Yes, exactly.
chingel said:
Another way to think is that the results from division only make sense if you don't divide by zero. So the equation you get only makes sense if you didn't divide by zero and you have to separately consider what if the factor was zero.
Right.

BTW, to write something in LaTeX here (on PhysicsForums), use two $ characters at the start, and two more at the end of your expression/equation, not just one. That renders the expression on its own line, centered in the page. For inline LaTeX, use two # characters at the start and two at the end. If you have just a simple equation, such as x(x + 1) = 0, I don't see much advantage in using LaTeX, but it's useful for exponents, square roots (and cube and higher roots), limits, integrals, fractions, and quite a few things more.
 

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