Aware of being aware neural circuits

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The discussion centers on the concept of neural circuits being aware of their own awareness, exploring theories related to self-awareness and consciousness. Participants examine the latest technological updates and theoretical frameworks, including the role of reentrant loops in the brain, while seeking to understand the nature of awareness in both biological and computational contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the latest technology and theories regarding neural circuits and their awareness, specifically mentioning reentrant loops.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "self-aware" or "consciousness" is more appropriate and expresses skepticism about the self-awareness of single neurons, indicating a background in computer science rather than neurobiology.
  • A participant provides a scientific article link and discusses the concept of reentrant intracortical activity as proposed by Edelman, noting its potential role in consciousness and perceptual experiences.
  • One reply mentions that the reentrant concept may be interpreted differently in computer science, indicating a lack of expertise in the area.
  • Another participant references Tononi's work on consciousness, highlighting the circumstantial language used in theories and expressing uncertainty about the nature of awareness, distinguishing between detection and genuine awareness.
  • This participant also critiques the media's portrayal of robotic self-awareness, suggesting that current understanding of awareness remains limited and fragmented among various theoretical camps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of awareness and the adequacy of current theories, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on how awareness arises or the validity of different interpretations of self-awareness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the existing literature and theories, including the dependence on definitions of awareness and the unresolved nature of the "hard problem" of consciousness.

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What is the latest technology update on making circuits aware of being aware.. this is to enable understanding of how our neutral circuits are aware of being aware.. what is the most accepted theory about this? Is it Re-entrant loops in the brain?
 
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I think the word you want is self-aware, or maybe consciousness. And as you worded your question, I don't believe single neurons can be self-aware. You sound like a programmer/CS person trying to learn neurobiology.

And - I have no idea even how to search for this in scientific literature. Can you give us a starting point? - a science-based article would be a wonderful start. Like the article that got you thinking about this.
 
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jim mcnamara said:
I think the word you want is self-aware, or maybe consciousness. And as you worded your question, I don't believe single neurons can be self-aware. You sound like a programmer/CS person trying to learn neurobiology.

And - I have no idea even how to search for this in scientific literature. Can you give us a starting point? - a science-based article would be a wonderful start. Like the article that got you thinking about this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3753453/

I need further tests and proof of it. The following is an excerpt from the article above:

"It has been proposed that phenomenal experience itself is entailed by appropriate reentrant intracortical activity (Edelman, 1993, 2004; Edelman and Tononi, 1999). Evidence suggests that synchronous exchanges of signals among neuronal groups in dispersed cortical areas correlate with, and bind together, the multiple but distinguishable features of unified, conscious scenes. Moreover, activity dependent alterations in neuronal or synaptic properties over time can give rise to temporally alternating percepts in response to constant sensory input, e.g., binocular rivalry or ambiguous figures (Doesburg et al., 2009; Edelman et al., 2011; Buzsáki and Wang, 2012). Reentry may thus be critical for transformation of sensory neural activity into a stable, consciously reportable percept."
 
@DiracPool sometimes answers threads in this area. I do not have much expertise except to say it seems to me that the reentrant concept appears to be used used in the Computer Science sense.
 
Tononi has been working on a theory of consciousness for a while, as have many other authors. But notice all the language is very circumstantial and wishful "may be, could, etc". We have no idea, really, how awareness arises. We, of course, know that a sensor system can detect things and a computer can respond to it. Is that being aware? I guess it depends on how you define it. For instance, there was this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/this...hat-only-humans-could-handle-until-now-2015-7

but this is essentially a processing (i.e. "easy" problem) and it seems to me like your'e asking more about the "hard" problem that includes the experience of being aware. I don't know that it's very genuine for journalists and researcher to refer to the above result as "self awareness" It simply passed the "King's Wisemen" induction test:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_puzzles#Examples

And the reality is, we really don't have a good idea of how awareness arises in the first place. We have a lot of theories coming out of a handful of camps who each champion their camps underlying cause, but none of them are accepted (and most of them don't even dare to use too assertive of language as you saw in your article).
 
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