B.2.2.16 IVP of \dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}, y(0)=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem given by the differential equation \(y^{\prime} = \dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}\) with the initial condition \(y(0)=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\). Participants explore methods to find an explicit solution, evaluate constants, and plot the solution, while also addressing potential issues with the problem statement and initial conditions.

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  • One participant presents a method to solve the differential equation and derives an expression for \(y\), suggesting \(y=-\left[\dfrac{(x^2+1)^2}{4}\right]^{1/4}\).
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the problem statement and notes that Mathematica shows no solution, implying a possible issue with the initial condition.
  • Several participants challenge the clarity of the mathematical steps taken, particularly regarding the manipulation of the equation and the integration process.
  • A later reply provides an alternative derivation, arriving at the conclusion that \(C=1\) and ultimately suggesting the solution \(y(x) = -\sqrt{\dfrac{x^2+1}{2}}\) based on the initial condition.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received in understanding the problem better.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial problem statement and the initial condition. There are multiple approaches to solving the equation, and while some participants arrive at similar forms of the solution, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the initial condition.

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There are unresolved questions about the initial condition and its compatibility with the derived solutions. Some steps in the integration process are challenged for clarity, and the assumptions made during the derivation are not universally accepted.

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Find the solution of $y^{\prime} = \dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}, \quad y(0)=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$
in explicit form.

rewrite $\dfrac{y}{x}=\dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}= y^3\, dy=\dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4}\, dx$
integrate $\dfrac{y^4}{4}= \dfrac{1}{4}\left(\dfrac{x^4}{4} +\dfrac{ x^2}{2}\right)$
$y^4=\dfrac{x^4}{4} +\dfrac{ x^2}{2}+C$
$y=\left[\dfrac{x^4}{4} +\dfrac{ x^2}{2}+ C\right]^{1/4}$
obtain C $y(0)=\left[\dfrac{0}{4} +\dfrac{ 0}{2}+ C\right]^{1/4}=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}
\implies =C^{1/4}=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}
=C=-\left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^4=-\dfrac{1}{4}$
finally $y=-\left[\dfrac{x^4}{4} +\dfrac{ x^2}{2}+\dfrac{1}{4}\right]^{1/4}
=-\left[ \dfrac{(x^2+ 1)^2}{4}\right]^{1/4}$
(b) Plot the graph of the solution.
(c)Determine the interval of the solution
book answer $y=−\sqrt{\dfrac{(x^2+1}{2}} \quad [−\infty<x<\infty]$
ok i think there are some bugs in this and probably some suggestions
I wanted to plot this in tikz but did know how to deal with the final eq
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Are you sure you've copied the problem correctly?

Mathematica is showing no solution. The problem is likely with the initial condition.
 
karush said:
Find the solution of $y^{\prime} = \dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}, \quad y(0)=-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$
in explicit form.

rewrite $\dfrac{y}{x}=\dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}= y^3\, dy=\dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4}\, dx$
What is this line? You can't possibly think that this is correct? I used to take points off for lines like this.

Write it out!
[math]\dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{x(x^2 + 1)}{4y^3}[/math]

[math]y^3 ~ dy = \dfrac{x(x^2 + 1)}{4} ~ dx[/math]

-Dan
 
romsek said:
Are you sure you've copied the problem correctly?

Mathematica is showing no solution. The problem is likely with the initial condition.

Screenshot 2021-09-09 10.56.38 AM.png

here is the book answer
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topsquark said:
What is this line? You can't possibly think that this is correct? I used to take points off for lines like this.

Write it out!
[math]\dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{x(x^2 + 1)}{4y^3}[/math]

[math]y^3 ~ dy = \dfrac{x(x^2 + 1)}{4} ~ dx[/math]

-Dan
ok it should of been and $\implies$ or a new line
 
We easily obtain that

$$\dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{x(x^2+1)}{4y^3}\\

4 y^3 dy = (x^3 + x) dx\\

y^4 = \dfrac 1 4 \left(x^4 + 2 x^2 + C\right)\\~\\

\text{It's easiest to evaluate the constant here}\\

(y(0))^4 = \dfrac 1 4 C = \left(-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^4 = \dfrac 1 4 \Rightarrow C = 1\\

y =\pm \left(\dfrac 1 4 \left(x^4 + 2x^2 + 1\right)\right)^{1/4} = \\

\pm \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left(x^2+1\right)^2\right)^{1/4} = \\

\pm \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\sqrt{(x^2+1)}\\

\text{and by the initial condition we see that we only keep the negative solution, i.e.}\\

y(x) = -\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\sqrt{x^2+1} = -\sqrt{\dfrac{x^2+1}{2}}
$$
 
Mahalo
That helped a lot
 

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