Balmer Lines in Quantum Physics

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The discussion centers on the Balmer Lines in quantum physics, specifically focusing on the differences between the red Balmer Lines of Hydrogen and Deuterium. Participants explore concepts related to energy levels, quantum numbers, and the equations governing these phenomena.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the differences between the red Balmer Lines of Hydrogen and Deuterium, questioning the corresponding energy levels and quantum numbers.
  • Another participant explains that the red Balmer line corresponds to the same quantum numbers for both Hydrogen and Deuterium, noting that the reduced mass is the only difference affecting the energy calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the equation for the inverse of the wavelength of emitted photons, with one participant asserting that the energy equation is not simply R over n squared.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the formula for energy levels, questioning its correctness and seeking validation from others.
  • Another participant provides a more detailed expression for R, emphasizing the role of reduced mass in the energy levels of hydrogen-like atoms.
  • A participant mentions using R with a subscript infinity and questions whether this affects the calculations, leading to a clarification about the implications of using R with a subscript infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct formulation of energy levels and the implications of using different constants. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the equations or the implications of the reduced mass in the context of Hydrogen and Deuterium.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of the constants used in the equations, particularly regarding the reduced mass and the distinction between R and R with a subscript infinity.

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Hi again,
Could someone explain a tiny bit about Balmer Lines to me?
If I was asked what is the difference between the red Balmer Lines in Hydrogen and Deuterium, where would I begin?
How do I know which energy level the electrons are in?
If it's a red Balmer Line then I guess n = 2 for Hydrogen; but what does it equal for Deuterium?
Also if [ En = -R / n squared ] then why is this true:

1 / wavelength = exactly the same thing ?

Thank you to anyone who can help,

DoubleB
 
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I forgot to say "red alpha Balmer Lines".
 
doubleB said:
Hi again,
Could someone explain a tiny bit about Balmer Lines to me?
If I was asked what is the difference between the red Balmer Lines in Hydrogen and Deuterium, where would I begin?
How do I know which energy level the electrons are in?
If it's a red Balmer Line then I guess n = 2 for Hydrogen; but what does it equal for Deuterium?
Also if [ En = -R / n squared ] then why is this true:

1 / wavelength = exactly the same thing ?

Thank you to anyone who can help,

DoubleB

A given transition line is specified by providing *two* principal quantum numbers, [itex]n_i[/itex] and [itex]n_f[/itex]. It also depends if we are talking about an emission spectrum or an absorption spectrum. For an emission Balmer line, one has [itex]n_f =2[/itex] , [itex]n_i = 3,4,5...[/itex]. For the red line, [itex]n_i = 3[/itex].

For deuterium, the red Balmer line corresponds to the *same* quantum numbers! The only thing that changes is the reduced mass in the equation fo the energy.

the equation for the inverse of the wavelength of the emitted photon is
[itex]{1 \over \lambda} = R ( { 1 \over n_f^2 } - {1 \over n_i^2}) [/tex]<br /> <br /> but the equation for the *energy* is NOT R over n squared! <br /> <br /> Patrick[/itex]
 
Thank you, I looked around some more and saw that when they say the 'Red Balmer Lines' that is like saying the 'H-alpha Balmer Lines'.
The only thing I'm very unsure about is that in my notes it says: En = -R / n2
This formula is right isn't it?
This is confusing me a lot...
 
doubleB said:
Thank you, I looked around some more and saw that when they say the 'Red Balmer Lines' that is like saying the 'H-alpha Balmer Lines'.
The only thing I'm very unsure about is that in my notes it says: En = -R / n2
This formula is right isn't it?
This is confusing me a lot...
It's incorrect.

[tex]R = {\mu \over 4 \pi c \hbar^3} ({e^2 \over 4 \pi \epsilon_0})^2[/tex]
where mu is the reduced mass (which is *slightly* different for deuterium and for hydrogen).

whereas the energy levels of a hydrogen-like atom (one electron orbiting a central charge Ze) is

[tex]- { \mu \over 2 \hbar^2} ({Z e^2 \over 4 \pi \epsilon_0})^2 {1 \over n^2}[/tex]

With Z=1 and mu the reduced mass of hydrogen, this gives the usual -13.6 eV/n^2. This is NOT -R / n^2!

If you recall that [itex]E = hc/ \lambda = 2 \pi \hbar c / \lambda[/itex] then you will be able to get from the formula for the energy levels to the formula for the wavelength of the emitted photon (try it!). So if you want to write the equation for the energy levels in terms of R (for Z=1 let's say) you see that there is a factor of [itex]2 \pi \hbar c[/itex] that will appear.


Patrick
 
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Oh right. I think the R I'm using is R with a subscript infinity. Does that change anything?
 
doubleB said:
Oh right. I think the R I'm using is R with a subscript infinity. Does that change anything?
No, I don't think so.

I don't have my quantum mechanics books with me so I am not 100% sure but if I recall correctly, the infinity in [itex]R_\infty[/itex] refers to taking the nucleus mass to infinity. In that case the reduced mass becomes the mass of the electron. So the R value for a nucleus can be written as [tex]R = { \mu \over m_e} R_\infty[/tex].

Again, this is from memory.

Patrick
 

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