Bessel Function First Kind: Can Someone Help with C and RK Method?

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The discussion revolves around solving a Bessel function of the first kind, specifically in the context of calculating mutual inductance between two inductors. Participants explore numerical methods, integral calculations, and programming approaches related to Bessel functions.

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  • One participant presents an integral involving Bessel functions and requests assistance in solving it.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for integrals of Bessel functions and references a specific book for further reading.
  • A third participant reiterates the request for help and mentions that the problem is complex, suggesting the same book for deeper understanding.
  • One participant shares their method of substituting values into the Bessel function and calculating the integral using a calculator, reporting a specific numerical result.
  • Another participant compares their result obtained using software (maxima) and suggests that numerical techniques are preferable for such integrals, emphasizing the practical challenges of handling formulas.
  • A final participant seeks help with programming to compute Bessel functions and solve the Bessel equation using the Runge-Kutta method.

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Participants express varying methods and results for calculating the integral involving Bessel functions, indicating that multiple approaches exist. There is no consensus on a single solution or method, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

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Participants mention the complexity of the integral and the need for numerical techniques, highlighting potential limitations in handling theoretical formulas practically.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in numerical methods for Bessel functions, those studying mutual inductance in electrical engineering, or anyone looking to implement programming solutions for Bessel equations.

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Hi everyone, I need some help solving a bessel function of the 1st order. The equation is used to calculate the mutual inductance between two inductors. The equation is:

M=(1.45*10^-8)*integral [J1(1.36x)J1(0.735x)exp(-13.6x)]dx

the integral is from zero to infinity.

Can someone help? please?
Thank you.
 
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Generally for Bessel-functions of order \nu we have the following:

\int_0^{\infty}J_{\nu}(ax)J_{\nu}(bx)e^{-cx}dx = \frac{1}{\pi\sqrt{ab}}Q_{\nu - \frac12}\left(\frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{2ab}\right)

Here Q_n(x) are legendre functions of the second kind.

For more details check "Watson: A treatise on the theory of Bessel functions" If you need something considering Bessel functions, then its in this book... :D
 
salla2 said:
Hi everyone, I need some help solving a bessel function of the 1st order. The equation is used to calculate the mutual inductance between two inductors. The equation is:

M=(1.45*10^-8)*integral [J1(1.36x)J1(0.735x)exp(-13.6x)]dx

the integral is from zero to infinity.

Can someone help? please?
Thank you.

You asked this before...

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=301041"

The answer is the same... it is not an easy question, if you need to understand the answer, look into the book given by Thaakisfox. It is considered one of the most complete and advanced books on Bessel functions. It will take up a lot of time to read. I use it for looking things up.

coomast
 
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J1(x)=(x/2)[1-(((x/2)^2)/(2*!^2))+(((x/2)^4)/(3*2!^2))-...]

I substituted x with 1.36x for the 1st term in the equation above and 0.735x for the 2nd term in the equation above, then plugged the value of J1(1.36) and J1(0.735x) in

M=(1.45*10^-8)*integral [J1(1.36x)J1(0.735x)exp(-13.6x)]dx

and calculated the value of M from zero to infinity using a TI89 calculator, I was able to obtain the value for M as 2.76585x10^-12

Is this process correct? I also got the book Thaakisfox mentioned from the library today and I'm working to see if there's an alternative solution that I can actually understand. Thank you guys for your help, I appreciate it.

salla2
 
Hello salla2,

I did this using the software program maxima and got the following output:

2.82623 \cdot 10^{-12}

I assume this will be the same value as the one you have if you would use more terms. Attached is a picture of the maxima console. It is best to use numerical techniques for this kind of integrals especially if you are interested in a numerical value and not as such in a formula. The formula's are often very difficult to handle practically. This does not mean that they do not have any meaning, they are important for theoretical investigations.

best regards,

coomast
 

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anyone could help me with writing a programme to compute bessel function first kind with C
n=0,1,4
aslo soving Bessel Equation first kind by RK method with C
 

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