Best Plot I've Ever Read

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The discussion revolves around the book "The Emperor's Soul" by Brandon Sanderson, focusing on its plot, worldbuilding, and the author's style. Participants explore themes related to fantasy literature, character situations, and the nature of magic within the story.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the plot as featuring a heroine in a dangerous situation requiring a desperate and ingenious escape, praising the originality and tightness of the worldbuilding.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the specific situation and solution of the heroine, indicating a lack of detail in available summaries.
  • Some participants discuss the setting of the story, with one suggesting it is a fantastical analogue of medieval China, while others express uncertainty about this characterization.
  • A participant compares the style of the book to Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy, suggesting it has a unique flavor that distinguishes it from typical fantasy novels.
  • One participant shares their appreciation for the way magic is portrayed as a technology with strict limitations, noting this as a rarity in fantasy literature.
  • Another participant mentions their mixed feelings about Sanderson's works, indicating that they found "The Emperor's Soul" to be less successful compared to other books by the author.
  • A humorous anecdote is shared about a programmer waking up in a magical realm, illustrating a playful take on the concept of magic in literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the setting and characterization of the book, with no consensus on whether it is a direct analogue to China or a wholly fictional creation. Additionally, opinions on the effectiveness of Sanderson's writing vary, indicating a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the quality of the book.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in available summaries and the need for deeper exploration of the plot details, particularly regarding the heroine's escape and the nature of the worldbuilding.

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I recommend The Emperor's Soul by Brandon Sanderson (2012). I picked up this book used expecting to kill some time with a potboiler but instead got the best plot I've ever read. When the heroine is in a very dangerous nearly impossible situation and has to make a desperate ingenious escape, the escape really is desperate and ingenious. The author's worldbuilding is both original and tight, both of which I say are rarities.
 
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Hornbein said:
When the heroine is in a very dangerous nearly impossible situation and has to make a desperate ingenious escape, the escape really is desperate and ingenious. The author's worldbuilding is both original and tight, both of which I say are rarities.
Can you say what the situation was and what her solution was? (in Spoiler tags) I was not able to see that in the Wikipedia article that I found with a search. Thanks.
 
I read the Goodreads blurb on it.

This is set in a fantastical analogue of medieval China?
 
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Sanderson also wrote the last few books of the Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series after Jordan's death and at the behest of his widow.

Both men were prolific authors of great fantasy.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I read the Goodreads blurb on it.

This is set in a fantastical analogue of medieval China?
Sort of. That's not how I look at at.
 
Hornbein said:
Sort of. That's not how I look at at.
That was a question, based solely on my perfunctory scan of the blurb.

Not sure if it is a China with magic, or if it is a wholly fictional land that's based on China.
 
It strongly reminded me of isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy in style. I'd say wholly fictional with a nicely done Chinese flavor. The plot could have been in old Europe. Not your typical fantasy novel, that's why it took me by surprise.

I own and have used a chop(Chinese seal). In Japan you can buy them from a vending machine that carves you one on the spot. It's use is legally binding. I once worked with a guy who had to fly back to China to put his chop on a document.
 
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berkeman said:
Can you say what the situation was and what her solution was? (in Spoiler tags) I was not able to see that in the Wikipedia article that I found with a search. Thanks.
She is imprisoned, under 24 hour guard, forced to do a secret task, and is smart enough to know promises of reward are phoney, she will be executed once it is finished. The escape is complicated and depends on her skills in magic and psychology, both of which her jailers are very aware and doing their best to neutralize. There was no simple way out.

I like the way the magic is a technology with strict limitations. Very well thought out, which I say is the exception.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Sanderson also wrote the last few books of the Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series after Jordan's death and at the behest of his widow.
I have to say this was the only Sanderson I read for a long time, because I thought it misfired quite badly. I've only read one other of his which I enjoyed a lot more.
 
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Hornbein said:
I like the way the magic is a technology with strict limitations. .
Read a book many years ago where a programmer woke up in a magical realm and told he was now a magic -user.

"For i equals one to ten!"
"Fireball!"
"Next!"

"While monster-size greater than zero!"
"Monster-size equals monster-size minus ten percent!"
"Loop!"
 
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Hornbein said:
I like the way the magic is a technology with strict limitations. Very well thought out, which I say is the exception.
Thank you, Arthur C. Clark.
 

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