Understanding the Bethe-Salpeter Equation: Introduction and Examples

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The discussion centers around the Bethe-Salpeter equation, exploring its applications, theoretical foundations, and examples. Participants express interest in understanding its use in quantum field theory and its relevance to bound state problems, particularly in the context of positronium and nonrelativistic quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek introductions or examples of the Bethe-Salpeter equation, noting difficulties in existing literature, particularly in Sidney Coleman's work.
  • One participant mentions that in nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, bound state problems are typically solved, whereas in quantum electrodynamics (QED), the focus is on scattering theory.
  • Another participant references Weinberg's QFT as a resource for bound state calculations, highlighting a specific chapter dedicated to this topic.
  • It is noted that the Bethe-Salpeter formalism was initially applied to the hyperfine splitting of positronium, with derivations available in Itzykson and Zuber's "Quantum Field Theory."
  • One participant expresses a belief that the Bethe-Salpeter equation is only useful when bound states can be described by an effective potential, suggesting limitations in its applicability.
  • A participant mentions D. Lurie's work as a valuable resource, indicating that Lurie utilized the Bethe-Salpeter equation in his research.
  • Another viewpoint is presented, suggesting that the Bethe-Salpeter equation's reputation may exceed its practical usefulness, with references to its limited discussion in B-S's own work on atomic systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the utility and applicability of the Bethe-Salpeter equation, with no clear consensus on its effectiveness or relevance in various contexts. Some participants highlight its limitations, while others advocate for its use in specific scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of the Bethe-Salpeter equation may depend on the context of bound state descriptions and the definitions of effective potentials, indicating potential limitations in its application.

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a good introduction or examples of how the Bethe-Salpeter equation is used. I'm currently looking at the large N section of Sidney Coleman's Aspects of symmetry and find his treatment rather impenetrable.

Thanks!
 
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EuphoGuy said:
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a good introduction or examples of how the Bethe-Salpeter equation is used. I'm currently looking at the large N section of Sidney Coleman's Aspects of symmetry and find his treatment rather impenetrable.

Thanks!

Good question and I fear I can't help you. But it is curious to note that in nonrelativistic QM, you solve most of the time bound state problems, while in QED you are only shown scattering theory.
 
But it is curious to note that in nonrelativistic QM, you solve most of the time bound state problems, while in QED you are only shown scattering theory.
A good place to look for this is Weinberg's QFT Vol I, Chap 14, which devotes 30 pages to bound state calculations.
 
The use of bethe salpeter formalism first arose in the work of hyperfine splitting of positronium by karplus and klein paper however the required derivation for it can be found in itzykson and zuber'quantum field theory'.
 
Thanks, I'm looking at Itzykson and Zuber right now, and it seems helpful so far. I appreciate it :)
 
Bill_K said:
A good place to look for this is Weinberg's QFT Vol I, Chap 14, which devotes 30 pages to bound state calculations.

Yes, but if I remember well, he concludes that the Bethe Salpeter equation is only usefull when the bound state can be described in terms of an effective potential.
 
I remember that a very good description of the Bethe-Salpeter equation can be found in
D. Lurie, Particles and Fields.
Lurie was using the BS equation in his own research, so it is not a second hand exposition.
 
DrDu said:
Yes, but if I remember well, he concludes that the Bethe Salpeter equation is only usefull when the bound state can be described in terms of an effective potential.
In non relativistic calculation of positronium hyperfine splitting ,matrix elements are taken the non relativistic limit and the Fourier transform of those matrix elements(for both annihilation and direct exchange diagram for lowest order) gives the potential which are considered for taking the expectation value for calculating the energy difference.Bethe salpeter formalism is a relativistic version so it should be able to deal with more complexity.
 
My impression is that the Bethe-Salpeter Equation is a formulation whose reputation far exceeds its actual usefulness.

I have a copy of B-S's "Quantum Mechanics of One and Two Electron Atoms", in which every aspect of atomic wavefunctions and energy levels is exhaustively discussed, and yet the B-S Equation hardly gets a mention. As a nonrelativistic approximation they say it "gives results equivalent to the Breit Equation", and "little progress has been made in its application to highly relativistic systems."
 

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