Big Bang Temperature - What Was It?

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The discussion centers on the temperature of the Big Bang at time zero, particularly before the Planck epoch. Participants explore the relevance of this question given the conditions of the early universe and the limitations of current theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the relevance of asking about the temperature at time zero, suggesting it is akin to asking about the "north" of the North Pole due to the absence of four fundamental forces at that time.
  • Others assert that the Big Bang Theory does not provide information about t=0, only about the conditions shortly thereafter, specifically at one Planck time.
  • One participant states that the Planck temperature is approximately 1.41 x 10^32 Kelvin, occurring at one Planck time (10^-43 seconds), and discusses the implications of relativistic and quantum effects on temperature limits.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of an upper limit on temperature, referencing Isaac Asimov's perspective on energy and mass increase, while noting that current understanding complicates calculations beyond the Planck temperature.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the certainty of temperatures reached during the early universe, particularly emphasizing that the hottest temperature relevant to the universe today likely occurred at the end of inflation, which remains uncertain.
  • There is a call for clarification regarding what is considered unfounded speculation, with some participants asserting that discussions about conditions before a few seconds after inflation are not certain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the temperature of the Big Bang and the relevance of discussing conditions at time zero. There is no consensus on the validity of certain claims or the implications of current theories.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the conditions of the universe before a few seconds after the end of inflation and the lack of a definitive theory for quantum gravity, which complicates discussions of temperature at extreme scales.

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Dear forum,

Can someone tell me what WAS the temperature of the Big Bang in time zero?
Before Planck epoch I think.
Or the question is not relevant because there were no four forces then, like asking what is the "north" of the North Pole.

Thanks for your attention.
 
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Stephanus said:
Dear forum,

Can someone tell me what WAS the temperature of the Big Bang in time zero?
Before Planck epoch I think.
Or the question is not relevant because there were no four forces then, like asking what is the "north" of the North Pole.

Thanks for your attention.
We have no idea. The Big Bang Theory does not include any statements about t=0, only about one Plank Time after T=0, and thereafter.
 
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The temperature rises as the one Plank Time is approached from thereafter, so two questions that can be asked:

What was the temperature at one Plank time?

Plank Temperature was 1.41 x 10^32 Kelvin,
it happened at one Plank Time 10^-43 seconds,
when the radiation wavelength was the Plank Length 1.616 x 10^−26 nanometers

Is there a highest theoretical temperature?

Issac Asimov wrote for a popular audience that although c limits the velocity of particles, their increased energy (what used to be called mass increase) would appear in the equation terms subject to a raised positive power, so he concluded mathematically that temperature was without upper limit.
The current thinking looks at the temperature in a similar way accounting for relativistic and quantum effects, which makes the consideration of higher temperatures than the Plank temperature problematic and calculations undefined as yet... strength of gravitation becomes comparable to the other forces and there is not yet a theory for quantum gravity.
 
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bahamagreen said:
The temperature rises as the one Plank Time is approached from thereafter, so two questions that can be asked:

What was the temperature at one Plank time?

Plank Temperature was 1.41 x 10^32 Kelvin,
it happened at one Plank Time 10^-43 seconds,
when the radiation wavelength was the Plank Length 1.616 x 10^−26 nanometers

Is there a highest theoretical temperature?

Issac Asimov wrote for a popular audience that although c limits the velocity of particles, their increased energy (what used to be called mass increase) would appear in the equation terms subject to a raised positive power, so he concluded mathematically that temperature was without upper limit.
The current thinking looks at the temperature in a similar way accounting for relativistic and quantum effects, which makes the consideration of higher temperatures than the Plank temperature problematic and calculations undefined as yet... strength of gravitation becomes comparable to the other forces and there is not yet a theory for quantum gravity.
I'm sorry, but this is unfounded speculation. We really don't have good information as to precisely how hot our universe became. The hottest point that is relevant to our universe today was probably attained at the end of inflation. That temperature was set by the energy density of the inflaton field at the end of inflation. We don't yet know what that energy density was, though if we manage to detect primordial B-mode polarization in the CMB, that could tell us.
 
Chalnoth said:
I'm sorry, but this is unfounded speculation.

What part is unfounded speculation (as opposed to the whole subject)? Or are you saying the whole subject?
 
bahamagreen said:
What part is unfounded speculation (as opposed to the whole subject)? Or are you saying the whole subject?
From the first sentence on. We can't talk with certainty about anything before a few seconds after the end of inflation (inflation itself isn't certain).
 
Just to put things into perspective, inflation was probably over by around t=10^-32 seconds.
 

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