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Black hole acceleration beyond C?

  1. May 28, 2012 #1
    Im new here so forgive me but was just wondering if a blackhole could accelerate matter faster than light by compressing the vibrational frequency of the matter to say gamma radiation leaving behind it exponential mass at the event horizon as it accelerates past C?
     
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  3. May 28, 2012 #2

    phinds

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    Nothing travels faster than light. Period.
     
  4. May 29, 2012 #3

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    I don't know what you mean by "compressing the vibrational frequency of the matter".
     
  5. May 29, 2012 #4

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    I don't know what you mean by "compressing the vibrational frequency of the matter".
     
  6. May 29, 2012 #5
    I was about to post just what Drakkith posted....

    As a general comment, the 'singularity' at the center of a black hole is likely not anything 'infinite'....it's far more likely that such a result means our math doesn't work at those incredibly high gravities. Odd things seem to happen at such tiny,tiny Planck scales.

    If you are referring to Heisenberg uncertainty then the answer as far as is known is definitely not...nothing 'faster than light'. It seems that at Planck scale, smaller than anything we can experimentally probe so far, instead of anything 'accelerating' without bound, what happens is that we are no longer able to distinguish between space, mass, time, and so forth....See 'quantum foam'
    descriptions.... It's a little like trying to distinguish water waves from sky when the waves get frothy...

    Also, just so you know, 'acceleration beyond c' has no meaning....'c' is a velocity, acceleration is, well, acceleration...the rate of change of velocity. When you get a ticket for driving too fast, that's 'velocity' related no 'acceleration'.

    In addition there is no 'exponential' mass associated with black holes. When a black hole
    absorbs some energy or mass those are directly reflected, one to one, as a change in the mass and size of the horizon of the black hole.

    If you search 'black holes' in these forums [via SEARCH, top of this page] you'll find lots of discussions on black holes....
     
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  7. May 29, 2012 #6
    Not that I know of, but it is a intersting question to ask.
     
  8. Apr 17, 2013 #7
    Prove it ! If light is traveling directly towards a blackhole at c then if it doesn't speed up when the gravitational effect begins to have a strong effect you could say the black hole is having No effect on the light which we know is wrong ! Just a thought
     
  9. Apr 17, 2013 #8
    I'm not trying to wind anyone up honest but if the Mathis don't work
    And don't make sense then they are wrong and we need a new way to approach the issue I think personally that so called gravity is an electromagnetic force rather than being generated by mass it's why the moon has very little and the earth has a much bigger field because of the spinning molten iron core not the mass surrounding it electrical potential Have you looked at the electric universe web site some interesting ideas oh yeah and where is that higs boson we were led to believe they had narrowed the freq down to then nothing ???? Guess they found something unexpected or. 2 things unexpected maybe there funding would stop if they actually found anything lol
     
  10. Apr 17, 2013 #9
    Why is the speed of light not considered a varible? Light is a photon. This we know has a mass, so why can't it be looked at like all mass is? Able to be slowed in motion and quickend in motion.
     
  11. Apr 17, 2013 #10
    Ooh boy where to start. First off the so called gravity as you say has completely different properties than the electromagnetic. Want to prove that weigh up a piece of iron. Then apply a current. Effectively making it a magnet. Did the weight of the iron change? Absolutely not.

    I would highly suggest you visit the FAQ sub forums.
     
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  12. Apr 17, 2013 #11
    Incorrect a photon has no mass it is a massless particle. As such we cannot treat it as a mass particle because it isn't.
    A particle with mass would require infinite energy to travel at the speed of light. While photons can be slowed down by travelling through a medium. It cannot go faster than c
    Your second part of your post isn't too clear.
     
  13. Apr 17, 2013 #12
    Ok guys I tend to do my own observations about gravitational effects rather than rely on written equations so you'll have to give me a bit of slack here. I took a copper pipe 6 feet long then got a neodynium magnet that fits quite snug. I drop the magnet at the side of the pipe and it took approx a second to hit the floor. Then I drop the magnet down the inside of the copper pipe and it takes 5.5 seconds to come out of the end. I had a multimeter on different points of the copper pipe and registered no more than 200millivolts. so very little voltage being produced for basically a tightly wound coil (pipe) An electromagnetic effect negating 80% of gravity ? eddy current s don't really explain to me what is going on so can you advise me what you think is negating all that gravity?
    you might want to check what opposing magnetic fields existing in the same space does to gravitational effect.
     
  14. Apr 17, 2013 #13
    Plus if you use enough voltage you can make anything especially iron lighter check out the B52 bomber from the mid 50's to the 60's also check out what the tech's from lockheed martin skunkworks have to say about forcing opposing magnetic field to exist in the same space say about how it alters gravitational effects!
     
  15. Apr 17, 2013 #14

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    I have closed this overly speculative thread.
     
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