Black Holes Schwarzschild radius

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The discussion centers around the concept of the Schwarzschild radius in relation to black holes, exploring its implications for gravitational fields at the event horizon, the nature of black holes, and the relationship between black holes and singularities. Participants express curiosity about the mathematical aspects and physical characteristics of black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Schwarzschild radius indicates the gravitational field at the event horizon of a black hole and seeks clarification on its meaning.
  • Another participant provides a definition of the Schwarzschild radius, stating it represents the distance from the center of a black hole where escape velocity equals the speed of light, thus defining the event horizon.
  • There is curiosity about the three-dimensional nature of black holes and whether they would be hot and bright due to trapped photons.
  • Some participants suggest that the inside of a black hole remains mysterious, with current theories predicting the existence of a gravitational singularity.
  • One participant expresses a belief that black holes may hold keys to understanding the Big Bang, while acknowledging that they are not the same phenomenon.
  • Another participant argues that black holes and Big Bang singularities are fundamentally different, using analogies to illustrate their distinct natures.
  • There is a discussion about the experience of falling into a black hole, with one participant suggesting that a freely falling observer would not notice crossing the event horizon.
  • Some participants engage in a debate about the implications of singularities and the limitations of current physics in describing them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and differing views regarding the nature of black holes and their relationship to singularities. There is no consensus on the implications of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theoretical concepts and definitions, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of singularities and the conditions surrounding black holes. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the mathematical and physical implications of these ideas.

Cbray
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Is Schwarzschild radius trying to state the gravitational field on the event horizon of a black hole?
If not, what is it trying to state?

Can you give me a example using his formula to figure out the gravitational force of a black hole in the event horizon?

Do you have any links I can read about black holes and formulas? I'm very interested in them, tho they're scary :<
 
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Quoting wikipedia

The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the gravitational radius) is the distance from the center of an object such that, if all the mass of the object were compressed within that sphere, the escape speed from the surface would equal the speed of light

In other words it tells you the radius of the event horizon. This http://xaonon.dyndns.org/hawking/" can give you lot's of different information as well as providing you with formulae.
 
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ryan_m_b said:
Quoting wikipedia



In other words it tells you the radius of the event horizon. This http://xaonon.dyndns.org/hawking/" can give you lot's of different information as well as providing you with formulae.

Out of curiosity is the black hole and/or event horizon a sphere (3D)? If we did go into a black hole, would it be insanely hot and bright since it would have been trapping heaps of photons?
 
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Cbray said:
Out of curiosity is the black hole and/or event horizon a sphere (3D)? If we did go into a black hole, would it be insanely hot and bright since it would have been trapping heaps of photons?

It is a sphere yes. The inside of a black hole is a bit of a mystery, current theory predicts a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity" may tell us what really is going on inside a black hole.
 
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ryan_m_b said:
It is a sphere yes. The inside of a black hole is a bit of a mystery, current theory predicts a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity" may tell us what really is going on inside a black hole.

My hunch is that gravitational singularities do exist, but not from our frame of reference due to the immense reletavistic time dilation. Mapping of a finite observer time to an infinite coordinate time - there are theoreticals that refute the Event Horizon can ever be crossed.

I genuinely think that Black Holes provide the key to understanding the Big Bang, as theoretically a singularity encompasses many mathematical problems which can be associated with the initial Big Bang event. I am not stating they are the same as this is clearly not the case merely that intuition leads me to believe that Black Holes can be the physical subject we require to truly understand the origins of U.

As always we await grand unification!
 
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Cbray said:
Out of curiosity is the black hole and/or event horizon a sphere (3D)? If we did go into a black hole, would it be insanely hot and bright since it would have been trapping heaps of photons?

Well if YOU (a freely falling observer) fell past the event horizon of a black hole, you wouldn't notice anything out of the ordinary. In fact, you would have to be quite clever to discover you'd even passed the event horizon at all! (Other than potential tidal forces, but we'll assume that those are small enough so that you can't feel it).
 
A black hole is a well known consequence of well known physics. The BB 'singularity' is a horse of a different color. It's like comparing apples to pineapples and concluding they must somehow be related. If you start with the premise infinity = 1/0, the error is merely compounded by deducing infinity x 0 = 1.
 
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Chronos said:
A black hole is a well known consequence of well known physics. The BB 'singularity' is a horse of a different color. It's like comparing apples to pineapples and concluding they must somehow be related. If you start with the premise infinity = 1/0, the error is merely compounded by deducing infinity x 0 = 1.

A well known consequence of well known physics with an eventually "impossibly" predicted outcome of a singularity as eventually well known physics and GR fails? I fail to see the point you are making; I acknowledge they are not the same, but some of the environmental conditions are very similar? After all a banana and pineapple are related - theyre both fruit! I am not being flippant just looking for more understanding.

Thanks in advance
 

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