Breaking the Laws of Physics: The Possibilities of Teleportation

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of sub-atomic particles during collisions, the potential for creating new particles, and speculative concepts related to teleportation in a science fiction context. Participants explore the implications of particle interactions, forces that could attract particles, and the feasibility of teleportation mechanisms based on sub-atomic manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that collisions of sub-atomic particles lead to the creation of more particles, while others clarify that the term "collision" is used loosely and often refers to interactions.
  • There is a question about whether the energy from these interactions could attract other particles, with some suggesting that the resulting interactions typically result in particles being expelled rather than drawn in.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of creating a black hole or an explosion from dense particle collections, with references to how nuclear bombs operate through similar principles.
  • A participant expresses interest in writing a science fiction novel involving teleportation, describing a mechanism that breaks down subjects into sub-atomic particles for transport.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of the proposed teleportation mechanism, suggesting that it would require breaking fundamental laws of physics and proposing alternative ideas for how teleportation could be conceptualized in the story.
  • There is a suggestion to focus on one specific law to break in the narrative, and to consider the implications of energy conversion and conservation of momentum in the teleportation scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of particle interactions and the plausibility of teleportation concepts. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the proposed teleportation mechanism, with some participants outright rejecting the initial ideas while others offer alternative suggestions.

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Limitations include the ambiguity in the definition of "collision" at the sub-atomic level, the dependence on various fundamental forces, and the unresolved implications of energy conversion in the context of teleportation.

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Readers interested in particle physics, science fiction writing, and the conceptual challenges of integrating scientific principles into speculative narratives may find this discussion relevant.

JamesNeutron
I was wondering what happens when sub-atomic particles collide together. Could the energy created from this event cause other sub-atomic particles to be drawn in? If so would there be a second explosion from too much mass collecting in one small space?
 
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Welcome to PF;
On the subatomic scale, the term "collision" is used very loosely and we more correctly talk about "interactions".
It's most commonly used in the context of particle beams, as in the LHC, where two streams of, say, protons, are directed head-on at each other. But it would help to know what situation you are thinking of because there are so many.

So - to your questions:

1. Could the energy created from this event cause other sub-atomic particles to be drawn in?
The energy from a collision would generally result in more particles being created - the resulting interactions tend to result in other particles being thrown away from the place the "collision" took place in.

2. If so would there be a second explosion from too much mass collecting in one small space?
Colliding beams often produce unstable particles which, themselves, decay - this could be thought of as a "second explosion".

But perhaps what you really want to know is if colliding beams could produce a black hole or an atomic bomb?
 
Thank you for the welcoming.

So when the "collision"/ interactions happen they start to randomly create more particles? I was also wondering if there is a force or anything man made that would attract particles together much like a black hole would?

Is it possible for particles to be pulled in on each other so densely that they cause an explosion?
 
JamesNeutron said:
So when the "collision"/ interactions happen they start to randomly create more particles?
Depends on the situation - but this is what they do in CERN: collide two beams and study the particles that come off.

"random" is not a good description of what happens.

I was also wondering if there is a force or anything man made that would attract particles together much like a black hole would?
Depends if you think gravity can be "man-made". There is nothing special about the attraction of a black hole.

There are four fundamental interactions - any may have an attractive effect.
In the lab we tend to exploit the electromagnetic one the most. The others are gravitational, strong nuclear, and, weak nuclear.

Is it possible for particles to be pulled in on each other so densely that they cause an explosion?
Yes. This is how nuclear bombs work - high explosive is used to drive masses of fissionable material close together with a lot of extra neutrons to trigger a chain reaction.

I have a feeling this is not what you are thinking of - don't dance around the question you really want to ask: just ask it.
 
Thank you for your help thus far.

I am writing a book and I want to learn about sub atomic particles and their behavior under certain situations. I need the story to be as spot on as possible. I am also very interested in this type of science.

Which question do you think I am bouncing around? Perhaps it's what I need to be asking instead.
 
You are writing a SF novel?

Which question do you think I am bouncing around? Perhaps it's what I need to be asking instead.
You appear to have a particular idea of what you want to happen in the book - so why not ask about that?
Perhaps you have two people shooting particle beams at each other, the beams hit each other and something dramatic happens? (But you told us never to cross the beams!)

Note: to be spot on, you want to talk about colliding beams rather than particles.
On the scale of individual particles it is not clear what is meant by a collision - they don't even have anything resembling a classical surface like, say, a billiard ball or hockey puck does.
 
In my story there is teleportation. I describe it working by breaking down the subject being transported to it's sub-atomic particles and scans them to be reconstructed at the second location. I was saying that the device pulls randomly disappearing and reappearing particles to the second location. The original subject matter then is drawn elsewhere in the universe to a high magnetic field and high energy output. I was going to say the LHC is one of those locations and the other is the sun. I needed to know if it could make enough sense to suspend belief that those particles could be drawn into that area from the "collision" of those beams.
 
No. None of that makes sense at all.

The best way to handle a SF at this level is to pick one law to break ... and introduce some "unobtanium" to do it with.

You could have the teleporter convert the mass of the subject into a pulse of energy, encoded with reassembly information, that gets beamed at a receiver, then channeled into the reassembly device.

Using this to duplicate people may be possible but impractical because of the huge amount of energy involved (E=mc^2).

The law you are breaking involves total conversion of matter, basically by wishing it were so.
It gives you lightspeed transport - but no faster - and you still have the law of conservation of momentum to contend with so if you beam down to a planets surface from orbit - better make sure it's geostationary (even then there's an angular momentum difference.)

Regular users don't know how the technology works but there may be noticable effects that will add flavour to the story.

There are a lot of teleportation schemes so the main thing to do first is decide how it is important to the story, then find a scheme that either reinforces the story or, at least, interferes least with it. Like why is it important to the story that the original matter is drawn elsewhere? Maybe it can just be stored someplace and recycled for when they need to reconstitute an incoming traveller? Everyone ends up with everyone elses atoms.
 

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