Buran Program: USSR's Unfortunate Cold War Spacecraft

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The discussion revolves around the Buran program, a Soviet space program during the Cold War, and its comparison to the American Space Shuttle program. Participants explore the historical context, technical aspects, and perceived successes and failures of both programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses nostalgia for the Cold War era and highlights the unfortunate events surrounding the Buran program, including a tragic hangar collapse.
  • Another participant claims that the Buran is merely an American knock-off of the Space Shuttle, asserting that the U.S. executed the program more effectively.
  • In contrast, a different participant points out that the Buran had several improvements over the Shuttle, such as the use of the Energiya booster and the capability for unmanned missions due to its full autopilot system.
  • One participant questions the assertion of American superiority by referencing the loss of crews in U.S. missions, suggesting that both programs faced significant risks and challenges.
  • Another participant echoes this sentiment, emphasizing that both the U.S. and Russia have experienced tragic accidents, attributing them more to procedural errors than to design flaws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and safety of the Buran program compared to the Space Shuttle, with no consensus reached on which program was superior or more successful.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific incidents and design features without fully resolving the implications of these points, leaving open questions about the overall safety and effectiveness of both space programs.

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Readers interested in the history of space exploration, comparative analysis of space programs, and the technical aspects of spacecraft design may find this discussion relevant.

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I was nostalgic of the 80's and the cold war and I came up with this while surfing the web:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_program

The Buran's program. It's incredible how much bad luck did they have. Eventually an hangar collapsed down and killed 8 workers and one of the built vehicles. Too much similarity with shuttle though.
 
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It's an american knock-off; only we did it right the first time.
 
Actually, the Buran had numerous improvements on the OVa - despite having a somewhat different mission profile. Foremost is that it doesn't have main engines; the launch vehicle is an Energiya booster, not a fuel tank.

Buran's major advantage was that it had full autopilot and could be unmanned for any mission if desired.
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
It's an american knock-off; only we did it right the first time.

with two crews killed did we do it right? :frown:
 
ray b said:
with two crews killed did we do it right? :frown:
How many flights have the Russians put up? How many has the US? Both accidents were more of a procedural screw up, not design flaws. The Russians have lost their share of Astronauts as well. It is a dangerous business no matter what way you look at it.
 

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