C-Symmetry & P+p_bar Annihilation: Griffiths Ref. C. Baltay et al

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The discussion revolves around the implications of charge conjugation symmetry (C-symmetry) in strong interactions, specifically in the context of the annihilation reaction p + p_bar -> \pi^+ + \pi^- + \pi^0. Participants explore how C-symmetry predicts the energy distribution of the resulting pions and whether this reflects a broader principle in strong force interactions.

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  • One participant references Griffiths' text, questioning how C-symmetry leads to predictions about pion energy distributions in the specified reaction.
  • Another participant states that the initial state being an eigenstate of C implies the final state must also be an eigenstate of C, noting that the operator C interchanges pi+ and pi-.
  • A participant proposes a general principle suggesting that because the strong force respects charge conjugation, final state particles differing predominantly by charge should have energy equally distributed among them, as the strong force cannot distinguish between them.
  • Another participant clarifies that there is no mass difference between pi+ and pi-, emphasizing that any measured distribution for pi+ must match that of pi-, while noting that pi0 can have a different distribution.

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Participants express differing interpretations of how C-symmetry applies to energy distributions in strong interactions. While some agree on the implications of charge conjugation, others highlight nuances regarding the distributions of different pion types, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of charge conjugation and its effects on energy distributions, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of symmetry in particle physics. The implications of mass differences among pions are also noted but not fully resolved.

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In the first edition of Griffiths' Introduction to Elementary Particles, p. 129, I read:

"In strong interactions, charge conjugation invariance requires, for example, that the energy distribution of the charged pions in the reaction p + p_bar -> [tex]\pi^+[/tex] + [tex]\pi^-[/tex] + [tex]\pi^0[/tex] should (on average) be identical."

Griffiths gives reference C. Baltay et al, .Phys Rev Lett 15, 591, (1965). I looked it up. This paper appears to only uses the argument, it does not explain its origin.

Could someone please explain how C-symmetry makes a prediction about the distribution in pion energies in this case? Does this example hint at a broader principle which makes a statement about the energy distribution of reaction products in the final state of a strong interaction which respects C-symmetry?

Thanks!
 
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The initial state is an eigenstate of C, so the final state will also be one.
The operator C interchanges pi+ and pi-.
 
So, is the principle the following:

"The strong force respects charge conjugation. Because of this, in any strong force interaction where the initial and final states are their own charge conjugate and where the final state particles differ predominately by charge (the mass difference between the pion flavors is small) the final state particles should (on average) have energy equally distributed between the final elements because the strong force can't really "tell the difference" between the final state types of particles, so on average, equal energy should be given to all final state particles."

Is that the right general line of reasoning?
 
There is no mass difference between pi+ and pi-, and the pi0 mass doesn't enter.
"so on average, equal energy should be given to all final state particles."
More than that, any measured distribution of pi+ must be the same as for pi-.
pi0 can have a different distribution.
 

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