Cabibbo angle for coupling of quark to antiquark?

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The discussion focuses on the implications of the Cabibbo angle (θ_C) on coupling constants in weak interactions involving quarks, specifically the strange to antidown and charm to down interactions. Participants clarify that the coupling constants are indeed modified by sin(θ_C), and decay widths are proportional to sin^4(θ_C). The conversation also addresses the validity of certain Feynman diagrams and the conservation of charge in quark interactions, particularly in the context of W boson decays and the allowed coupling vertices.

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I'm not clear on whether the coupling constant for strange to antidown is modified in the same way as for strange to down, i.e. multiplied by ##\sin(\theta_C)##. And are the coupling constants of interactions mediated by Z also dependent on the Cabibbo angle?

And what happens if you have say a charm and down quark interact via weak to produce an up quark and antistrange quark? The coupling constant is modified at both vertices, multiplied by ##\sin(\theta_C)## in both cases. Decay width is proportional to the coupling constant squared, so does that mean it would then depend on ##sin^4(\theta_C)##?

I've read a textbook (Griffiths Intro to Elementary Particle Physics) which made me ask these questions rather than helping to answer them!
 
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Where do you expect a strange/down or strange/antidown coupling? Where do you see couplings where changing a particle to an antiparticle would work? Which interactions happen with the Z, and where do you expect the Cabibbo angle to be relevant?

In general, couplings don't care about time ordering - particles and antiparticles work the same way.
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And what happens if you have say a charm and down quark interact via weak to produce an up quark and antistrange quark?
That doesn't work.
But if you fix the quark content, the answer is yes.
 
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mfb said:
Where do you expect a strange/down or strange/antidown coupling? Where do you see couplings where changing a particle to an antiparticle would work? Which interactions happen with the Z, and where do you expect the Cabibbo angle to be relevant?

In general, couplings don't care about time ordering - particles and antiparticles work the same way.
That doesn't work.
But if you fix the quark content, the answer is yes.
I've resolved the Z issue. I was drawing a Feynman diagram for a process I thought could only proceed via Z but actually using a gluon instead worked fine.
In terms of the strange antidown coupling I think I meant up antidown coupling in the decay of a ##D^+## meson to ##K^+ + \pi^+ \pi^+##. So on the diagram I've drawn a line with charm on the left and strange on the right. There's a W boson coming off that line and producing an up and antidown. I know that for an up, down and W boson vertex the Cabibbo angle dependence is ##\sin^2(\theta_C)## and I wondered if it's the same for an up and antidown vertex. And whether up, antidown, W is even an allowed vertex.

On a list of allowed W decay modes, I have ##W \rightarrow s \bar{u}## so I thought ##W \rightarrow u \bar{s}## would be allowed. As to fixing the quark content, how do I do that?
 
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in the decay of a ##D^+## meson to ##K^+ + \pi^+ \pi^+##
That violates charge conservation, and K+ has an anti-strange, not a strange quark. I guess this should be a K-.
I know that for an up, down and W boson vertex the Cabibbo angle dependence is ##\sin^2(\theta_C)##
It is not, up and down are in the same generation.
And whether up, antidown, W is even an allowed vertex.
Does it conserve charge?
On a list of allowed W decay modes, I have ##W \rightarrow s \bar{u}## so I thought ##W \rightarrow u \bar{s}## would be allowed.
W+ or W-?
As to fixing the quark content, how do I do that?
By writing down the correct quarks involved everywhere.
 
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Kara386 said:
what happens if you have say a charm
GIM effect,does it? I never look at it carefully, but the cham was predicted on grounds of this kinf of cabibbo malabar games.
 
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That violates charge conservation, and K+ has an anti-strange, not a strange quark. I guess this should be a K-.
Yes, apologies, typo.
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It is not, up and down are in the same generation.
Now that's a silly mistake on my part.
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W+ or W-?
Not actually specified. But the ##s \bar{u}## would be a ##W^-## to conserve charge, so ##u \bar{s}## would be ##W^+##. It's an up type and a down type, it conserves charge, and in terms of crossing generations isn't it an allowed diagonal change? I should also mention that I'm imagining both those quarks to be in the final state, so it's the boson decaying to that pair rather than the up interacting with weak to change flavour to an antistrange. Would that work?
 
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It's an up type and a down type, it conserves charge, and in terms of crossing generations isn't it an allowed diagonal change?
Right.
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so it's the boson decaying to that pair rather than the up interacting with weak to change flavour to an antistrange. Would that work?
In hadron decays, the W is virtual - it is not an actual W decay. But apart from that: right.
 
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