Elementary particle transformations/couplings

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The discussion revolves around the concept of elementary particle transformations and couplings, specifically seeking a comprehensive list or table that outlines the interactions leading to the creation of various elementary particles from low to high energy states and vice versa. The scope includes theoretical considerations of particle interactions and transformations without delving into probabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a "chain" of operations necessary to obtain certain fermions or bosons through interactions, suggesting that all particles could emerge from a single type at the universe's inception.
  • Another participant questions the term "particle transformations" and suggests referring to existing lists of known elementary particles and their properties.
  • The initial poster clarifies their interest in a list of couplings that create elementary particles through interactions, providing an example of a lepton to hadron transformation.
  • A later reply corrects the initial claim that two photons can create an electron, stating that an electron-positron pair is required instead.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the terminology or the feasibility of the proposed transformations. There are competing views regarding the nature of particle interactions and the specific examples provided.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining "particle transformations" and the challenges in identifying the necessary steps for specific particle creation. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the conditions under which certain interactions are permitted.

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Hi,

I'm not sure if this idea is something old that's been discussed to death or something I'm not formulating right, but i can't find anything online like what I would expect to.

What I mean, is a list or rather a table of all possible elementary particle transformations and couplings from low to high energy states and vice versa.

For example 2 photons can come together to create an electron. Also an e- neutrino + a W- = e- ; an e- + W- can create a e- neutrino...
An anti/neutrino pair can temporarily annihilate into a Z0. Also W+ + W- -> Z0 + Photon
Z0 can couple to neutrinos and photons (as far as i found).
in udd to udu decay: an antineutrino and an e- is created and a W- exchanged.

What i mean is that this looks like a 'chain', like a list of operations necessary to obtain a certain fermion or boson, from small energy scales to higher energy scales. I was trying to find the complete 'chain' but apparently the idea it's self doesn't have a name or any term i can find.

The idea it's self seems sound as if @ big bang+1 you only had one type of particle and all the rest appeared by interactions between these as the universe cooled down... and by creating very high energy states (like quark-gluon plasma) you can recreate a similar initial state...

I'm not looking at probabilities for such events to occur, but some at least do and i was searching either for a list, a table or ideally for the complete chain. What am I missing here ?

(a random idea: the probability for each transformation should be reflected (aka proportional to) by how much of each type of elementary particle there is... so for example you need 3x quarks + 1 electron / hydrogen atom ; 12 q and 2 e- for one helium atom and i would have no clue how to estimate the amount of bosons that are exchanged / second for each but I'm sure there would be a rough estimate at least => on a large scale the probability amplitude for photon creation by various couplings should be the biggest... followed by idk... the next most frequent coupling by rough amount of particles of that type is present)
 
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I don't know, what you mean by "particle transformations", but you can find a list of all (known) elementary particles and hadrons and many of their properties here:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/
 
vanhees71 said:
I don't know, what you mean by "particle transformations", but you can find a list of all (known) elementary particles and hadrons and many of their properties here:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/
Hi,

Thanks for the reply!

To make myself a bit more clear... I mean a list of all possible couplings whereby another elementary particle is created out of an interaction... ex: http://www.quantumdiaries.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/qed_bbbar_sChannel.png (this would be an example of how to create quarks out of an electron/positron pair annihilation aka lepton to hadron transformation)

Ranked by energy levels preferably. Ex: knowing that not any interaction is permitted what would be the necessary 'steps' to create an up quark from let's say... idk.. neutrinos (random example, don't know if it's even possible because i can't find the info :))) )
 
Regarding the first post, two photons can't come together to make an electron, but an electron-positron pair.
 

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