Calculate average power in one cycle.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average power over one cycle for the function P = k sin²(ωt). Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of averaging over a defined period.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the function over one cycle and the correct application of the average power formula. There are considerations about the limits of integration and the impact of the sine function's frequency on the results.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the integration process and the need to divide by the period T to find the average. There is recognition of the importance of correctly interpreting the function's behavior over its cycle, with some questioning whether to integrate over T or T/2.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a larger problem context, and participants are navigating through assumptions related to the periodic nature of the sine function and the implications for averaging power.

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Homework Statement


This is part of a bigger problem, I simplify to just:

[tex]P=k sin^2 \omega t[/tex]

How do I integrate over one cycle?

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = \int_0^T k\; sin^2 (\omega t) d t \;\hbox { where }\; T= \frac c f = \frac {2\pi}{ \omega}[/tex]

[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = k \int_0^{ \frac {2\pi}{ \omega}} sin^2 (\omega t) d t = \frac 1 {\omega} \int sin^2 u du = \frac k 2 u = \frac k 2 t|_0^{\frac {2\pi}{ \omega}} = \frac {k\pi}{\omega}[/tex]

I know the answer is

[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = \frac k 2[/tex]

Please show me how to get the integration over one cycle.

Thanks

Alan
 
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The average of f(x) of period T: [tex]<f(x)> = \frac{1}{T}\int ^{r+T} _r f(x)dx[/tex] with r is arbitrarily chosen :smile:

Another way to deal with your particular function is:
[tex]P = ksin^2wt = \frac{k}{2}(1-cos2wt)[/tex]
 
yungman said:

Homework Statement


This is part of a bigger problem, I simplify to just:

[tex]P=k sin^2 \omega t[/tex]

How do I integrate over one cycle?

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = \int_0^T k\; sin^2 (\omega t) d t \;\hbox { where }\; T= \frac c f = \frac {2\pi}{ \omega}[/tex]

[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = k \int_0^{ \frac {2\pi}{ \omega}} sin^2 (\omega t) d t = \frac 1 {\omega} \int sin^2 u du = \frac k 2 u = \frac k 2 t|_0^{\frac {2\pi}{ \omega}} = \frac {k\pi}{\omega}[/tex]

I know the answer is

[tex]\left\langle P \right\rangle = \frac k 2[/tex]

Please show me how to get the integration over one cycle.

Thanks

Alan

Your answer of kT/2 makes more sense. Wouldn't you expect the integral (area under the curve) to be proportional to T? The only issue is whether you should be integrating from 0 to T/2 rather than 0 to T, because sin^2 has double the frequency of sine, as pointed out by hikaru's trig identity. But, if you want to integrate over the period T for the unsquared sinewave, then you are correct.

EDIT: Oh wait ! You want the average power, so you have to divide by T. That's what the issue is. So k/2 is correct.
 
Thanks, I forgot the 1/T.

Alan
 

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