Calculate Combinations of 10 Items (Max 3) - Paul

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of combinations for selecting items from a menu at a deli, specifically focusing on a sandwich configuration where one can choose from various types of bread, meat, cheese, and toppings, with specific limits on the number of each type that can be selected.

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Main Points Raised

  • Paul presents a scenario involving 10 items (various sandwich components) and asks how many combinations can be made when selecting up to 3 toppings.
  • Another participant inquires about Paul's progress in solving the problem, prompting further elaboration.
  • Paul expands on the problem by detailing the menu items and the constraints on selections, stating he has calculated 120 combinations for the cheese selection but is unsure of its accuracy.
  • Participants suggest using combinations and the fundamental principle of counting to approach the problem.
  • One participant emphasizes that permutations may not be suitable since the order of toppings does not matter, advocating for combinations instead.
  • Another participant proposes solving the problem in three cases, indicating that combinations can be calculated for each case and then summed for the final result.

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Participants generally agree on the use of combinations for this problem, but there is no consensus on the exact number of combinations or the method to arrive at the final answer.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the selection process and the constraints on the number of items chosen, which may affect the calculations. Specific mathematical steps and definitions have not been fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in combinatorial mathematics, particularly in practical applications such as menu selection or similar combinatorial problems.

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Say i needed to calculate the different number of combinations there are if you have 10 items and can pick up to 3 of them. e.g you buy a sandwhich and have Ketchup, Mustard, Relish, Lettuce, Pickles, Sour Cream, Cream Cheese, Olives as available toppings but you can only choose up to three. how many combinations are there?

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What have you done so far to solve your problem?
 
Well the entire problem is as follows:
You are at a corner deli with a craving for a sandwich, here's the menu:
Breads: wheat, rye, white
Meats: turkey, ham, salami
Cheeses: American, Swiss, Cheddar, Gouda
Toppings: Ketchup, Mustard, Relish, Lettuce, Pickles, Sour Cream, Cream Cheese, Olives

You can only get one kind of bread (you have to have bread, no low-carb diet).
Per sandwich you're only allowed up to one kind of meat, up to two kinds of cheese, and up to three toppings. This means you can have none of the above options. The minimum required food is bread with nothing on it.

How many different options do you have?



So far i have worked out that there are 120 combinations up to the cheese selection (unless i have made an error)
 
Use combination and fundamental principle of counting
 
think of how many choices you have for the each selection. Then you can use the rule of product or the formula P(n,r)=n!/(n-r)! might help you out.
 
buzzmath said:
think of how many choices you have for the each selection. Then you can use the rule of product or the formula P(n,r)=n!/(n-r)! might help you out.

I don't think this would be a situation to use a permutation, a combination would be better, i think the problem would consider a sandwich with lettuce and chese to be the same as a sandwich with cheese and lettuce, so order doesn't matter. Don't read too much into that example because it doesn't really fit what the problem is asking but it gets my point across..
 
Solve in three cases. In each case you can use combination and further you can add the three cases to get the result.
 

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