Calculate Molality of 27% H2SO4 Solution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molality of a 27% by mass sulfuric acid (H2SO4) solution with a given density. Participants are addressing the definitions and calculations related to molality and molarity, exploring the correct approach to solve the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to calculate molality using the formula but arrives at an incorrect answer, expressing confusion about the correct approach.
  • Another participant suggests checking the definition of molality, indicating that it is moles of solute per kilogram of solvent.
  • A different participant points out that the original poster may have misapplied the equation for molality, emphasizing the need to correctly identify solute and solvent.
  • One participant discusses the definition of moles and relates it to molarity, which is not directly relevant to the question of molality.
  • Another participant clarifies that the calculation should focus on the mass of H2SO4 in a 1 kg solution rather than volume, correcting a misunderstanding about the relationship between mass and volume in the context of the solution.
  • A later reply humorously misinterprets a previous comment, indicating a light-hearted tone amidst the technical discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and calculations related to molality and molarity. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem, and confusion remains regarding the application of the formulas.

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Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between mass and volume in the context of solutions, as well as the specific definitions of molality and molarity. Some assumptions about the relationships between these quantities are not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


Find the molality of a sulfuric acid solution which contains 27,0% by mass of H2SO4 and a density of 1,198 g/mL

Homework Equations


molality = moles of solvent / mass of H2SO4 (kg)


The Attempt at a Solution


If we have 1kg of the solution, then we have 0,270 kg of H2SO4
We also have 1 - 0,270 = 0,730 kg of water

If one mole of water weighs 18 grams and we have 730 grams of water, then we have (730/18) moles of water.

molality = moles of solvent / mass of H2SO4 (kg)
= (730/18) moles / 0,270 kg of H2SO4
= 150,2 moles/kg

This is not the correct answer, the correct answer is 3,78
What to do??
Thank you
 
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I'm no chemist, but I think molality is moles of solute per kg of solvent. Look this up in your textbook to make sure you are starting with the right definitions.
 
I see...your problem in the equation for molality. Molality is equal to moles of solute over one kilogram of solvent. I think you flipped your equation
 
my definition of moles is things per amount of liquid (solvent)
so the calculation formula for molarity is M = mol/L
that means Molarity = moles over Volume in liters
 
so your equation would be M = mol/L, but you have it in Kg. This is not a problem because one gram of water is approximately equal to one ml of water. So if you have one L of water, that would mean that 27% of it is H2SO4. In one liter of water there are 1000 ml of water, so that means that 27% of 1000 is 270. That means that there are 270 ml of H4SO4 (aq). There are 1.198g/ml, so there are 323.46 grams of H2SO4. The molar mass of H2SO4 is 98 grams per mole, so to get moles of H2SO4, you divide the grams by the molar mass. That means that there are 323.46/98 = 3.3 moles of H2SO4. Now you do the rest, so i don't tell you the whole thing. =D
 
link2110 said:
my definition of moles is things per amount of liquid (solvent)
so the calculation formula for molarity is M = mol/L
that means Molarity = moles over Volume in liters

Question asks for molality, not molarity. Thus both your posts are unfortunately off.

Additionally, it is 27% w/w solution, so 1000 mL of solution doesn't contain 270 mL of sulfuric acid, but 1 kg of solution contains 270 g of sulfuric acid. That is huge difference.
 
oh i thought it was a spelling mistake :-p
 

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