What is the molality of 1M NH4OH in 70.092ml of water?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molality of ammonium hydroxide (NH4OH) dissolved in a specific volume of water, along with related properties such as total mass, total volume, concentration percent, and molar concentration. The context includes homework-related problem-solving and the application of various equations in chemistry.

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  • One participant initially presents a calculation for the molality of a 1M NH4OH solution, providing specific values for mass and density.
  • Another participant challenges the premise of the question, stating that "1 M" is a concentration and cannot be directly dissolved, suggesting that the question should refer to dissolving 1 mole of NH4OH instead.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the misunderstanding and proposes to reframe the question regarding ammonia (NH3) instead of NH4OH.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of the density value of 0.88 g/ml, which is noted to apply to commercial ammonia solutions, not the specific solution in question.
  • Participants discuss the need to find the correct density of the solution being worked with, rather than using densities of gases or stock solutions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to find density values in tables, while another reassures them that it is a straightforward process and provides resources for density tables.
  • A later post revises the problem to correctly ask for the molality of 1 mole of NH3 dissolved in water, along with recalculations for total mass, total volume, concentration percent, and molar concentration.
  • Another participant acknowledges the revised calculations but notes a potential mistake in the density table used, while affirming the reasoning behind the calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the initial question regarding NH4OH and to use appropriate density values. However, there remains disagreement on the initial premise of the problem and the correct approach to calculating the desired properties.

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Limitations include the initial misunderstanding of the solute being discussed, the potential inaccuracy of density values referenced, and the need for precise definitions when calculating concentrations.

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Homework Statement


What is the molality of 1M NH4OH dissolved in 70.092ml of water? What is the total mass of the solution? What is the total volume? What is the concentration percent? What is the molar concentration?

1M NH4OH = 35.046g
density of water = 1g/ml
density of NH4OH = 0.88 g/ml

Homework Equations


molality = moles of solute/kg of solvent

mass = volume x density

molarity = moles of solute / liters of solution

concentration = moles / volume

The Attempt at a Solution


Solve for molality:
convert volume (ml) to mass (kg)
70.092ml x 1g/ml =70.092g / 1000 = 0.07092kg
1 / 0.070092 = 14.3 molals/kg

Solve for total mass:
35.046g + 70.092g = 105.138g

Solve for total volume:
convert mass(g) to volume(ml)
35.046g / 0.88g/ml = 39.825ml
39.825ml + 70.092ml = 109.917ml

Solve for concentration percent:
35.046g / 109.917ml=0.3188 x 100 = 31.88406= 32%Solve for molar concentration:
1M / 0.109917L = 9.09777M/L = 9.1M/L
 
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HelloCthulhu said:
What is the molality of 1M NH4OH dissolved in 70.092ml of water?

I am afraid this question doesn't make much sense. First, you can't dissolve "1 M" in anything, "1 M" is a concentration, result of already dissolving something. Chances are what you mean is "What is the molality of solution prepared by dissolving 1 mole of NH4OH in 70.092ml of water". But even then it is still wrong. Dissolving 1 mole of ammonia (NH3), would be OK. Diluting ammonia solution (which is sometimes thought of as it was solution of NH4OH), would be OK. But there is no way of dissolving NH4OH, there is no such compound that you can isolate.
 
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My mistake. I should have treated this as an ammonia solution. I'll rewrite it asking for the molality of 1 mole NH3 dissolved in 70.092ml of water.
 
Beware: the 0.88 g/ml density is also used incorrectly. It is density of the commercial solutions of ammonia (which are about 35%). To calculate concentrations precisely you need to find the density of your solution in tables.
 
You need to find the density of the solution you are working with. Not the density of the gas, not the density of the stock solution, these are not things you are working with.

Calculate the concentration (you have enough information to calculate at least molality and w/w %) and check the density of your solution in the tables.
 
Nothing wrong with not knowing and trying to learn so no need to apologize. IMHO wikihow gives a poor (in a pedagogical sense) example of using 3 mL of a powdered solid - that's not how you do it in reality (you measure volume of solutions, or you weigh solids), plus, it leaves people confused (just like you are).

Finding the density in tables is rather trivial. As I said - first, calculate the % w/w concentration of the SOLUTION (not a problem as you know mass of the solute and mass of the solvent). Then just look in the density tables, like this one:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=CASC&right=density_tables

or one that is more precise:

https://wissen.science-and-fun.de/chemistry/chemistry/density-tables/density-of-ammonia/

(if there is no exact concentration that you have calculated just take the closest one, or estimate the needed value with a linear approximation). For diluted solutions you can assume their density to be just that of pure water, 1 g/mL.

Once you know the SOLUTION density (edit: and in this particular case the mass you have already calculated) you can calculate the SOLUTION volume, thus it will allow you to calculate volume based concentrations, like molarity or g/L (molality and w/w % don't require knowledge of the solution volume, as they are solely mass based).
 
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Borek said:
I am afraid this question doesn't make much sense. First, you can't dissolve "1 M" in anything, "1 M" is a concentration, result of already dissolving something. Chances are what you mean is "What is the molality of solution prepared by dissolving 1 mole of NH4OH in 70.092ml of water". But even then it is still wrong. Dissolving 1 mole of ammonia (NH3), would be OK. Diluting ammonia solution (which is sometimes thought of as it was solution of NH4OH), would be OK. But there is no way of dissolving NH4OH, there is no such compound that you can isolate.
 
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Thank you so much for your help! I've reworked the problem now.

Homework Statement



What is the molality of 1 mole of NH3 gas dissolved in 70.092ml of water? What is the total mass of the solution? What is the total volume? What is the concentration percent? What is the molar concentration?1mol NH3 = 17.031g

Homework Equations



molality = moles of solute / kg of solventmass of solution = grams of solute + grams of solventmolarity = moles of solute / liters of solutionvolume = mass / densityconcentration = moles / volumemass percent of solution (w/w%) = mass of solute/mass of solution x 100

The Attempt at a Solution





Solve for molality:

convert volume (ml) to mass (kg)

70.092ml x 1g/ml =70.092g / 1000 = 0.07092kg

1 / 0.070092 = 14.26 molals/kg



Solve for total mass:

17.031g + 70.092g = 87.123g



Solve for total volume:

Find w/w%

17.031g / 87.123g = 0.19548 x 100 = 19.548 = 20 w/w%Look up density table for 20 w/w% NH3 solution

density = 0.895187.123g / 0.8951g/ml = 97.333mlSolve for concentration %:

17.031g / 97.333ml = 0.1749 x 100 = 17.49 = 17.5 wt/vol %Solve for molar concentration:

1 mol / 0.097333L= 10.274M (mol/L)
 
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Looks good :smile:

(Actually turned out there was a mistake in the density table at the chembuddy site, so you are a bit off in your numbers, but the reasoning is perfectly OK).
 
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