Calculating 10% NaOH eqv. to 10% NH4OH

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The discussion revolves around calculating an equivalent solution of NaOH that matches the neutralizing power of a 10% w/w solution of NH4OH. Participants explore the implications of additional hydroxide ions released by NaOH and the resulting pH levels during neutralization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the equivalent NaOH solution, noting that both solutions will have equal dissociated OH but that NaOH releases additional OH during consumption.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "a 10% solution," emphasizing the need to know the molarity of the solutions involved and referencing acid dissociation concepts.
  • A participant clarifies that the 10% NH4OH solution consists of 10% NH4OH and 90% water, reiterating the goal of achieving comparable neutralizing power without significant pH spikes.
  • One response suggests that while preparing a solution to neutralize an identical amount of acid is straightforward, the pH of the NaOH solution will inherently be higher than that of the NH4OH solution.
  • A later reply challenges the initial participant's understanding, asserting that there is no pH spike during neutralization, but rather a smooth transition, although pH changes rapidly near the neutralization point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of pH during the neutralization process and the implications of additional hydroxide ions from NaOH. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and pH behavior.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions of the solutions or the calculations involved, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of pH during the neutralization process.

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How to calculate 10% NH4OH eqv solution of NaOH, taking into consideration extra OH?

Hi, I'm wanting to make a solution of NaOH that has the same neutralizing power per quantity as 10% w/w NH4OH. Given that a 10% solution of both will have an equal amount of dissociated OH, but that NaOH will release additional OH as it is consumed, how should I go about this? Thanks.
 
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a 10% solution." In order to answer this question, you must first know the molarity of the solutions you want to use.
This is an acid dissociation problem, usually covered in general chemistry 3. If you're not familiar with dissociation constants and equilibrium, it could be a bit confusing for you.
 


10% NH4OH, 90% water, w/w. I'd like to know how to make a solution of NaOH that has comparable neutralizing power, without resulting in PH spikes from additional OH that is released.
 


No problem with preparing solution able to neutralize identical amount of acid (simple stoichiometry and concentration conversion problem, similar to the ones explained here: http://www.titrations.info/titration-calculation, you just need to convert molarity to percent concentration), but you can't expect identical pH, it will be much higher in the NaOH solution.
 


Delicieuxz said:
Hi, I'm wanting to make a solution of NaOH that has the same neutralizing power per quantity as 10% w/w NH4OH. Given that a 10% solution of both will have an equal amount of dissociated OH, but that NaOH will release additional OH as it is consumed, how should I go about this? Thanks.

You must have the NH4OH solution and the NaOH solution reversed. There is no pH spike during neutralization, just a smooth transition from basic to neutrality. Near the neutralization point the pH changes rapidly though. Perhaps that is the spike you are referring to?
 

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