Calculating a Telescope's Limiting Magnitude

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around calculating a telescope's limiting magnitude, incorporating factors such as magnification, transmission coefficient, and the observer's pupil size. Participants explore various formulas and their effectiveness in providing accurate results.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Amanda introduces a standard limiting magnitude formula and discusses its limitations regarding magnification and pupil size.
  • She proposes an alternative equation that factors in the telescope's transmission but struggles to incorporate the observer's pupil size effectively.
  • Amanda expresses uncertainty about the constants used in her modified equations and their implications.
  • Some participants suggest using an online calculator as a resource for calculations, while Amanda indicates a preference for performing the calculations manually.
  • There is mention of a JavaScript calculator that allows users to view the underlying calculations, which may aid in understanding the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to include the observer's pupil size in the limiting magnitude calculations. There are multiple proposed equations and methods, with some participants advocating for the use of online tools while others focus on manual calculations.

Contextual Notes

Amanda's equations and modifications are presented without clear definitions of the constants involved, and the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding their significance and the overall accuracy of the proposed formulas.

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Hello Everyone

I'm new to this community so I hope that I have posted this question to the correct forum. If not, please advise on the best forum for my question.

Recently, I have been trying to find a reliable formula to calculate a specific telescope's limiting magnitude while factoring magnification, the telescopes transmission coefficient and the observers dilated pupil size. It's clear that higher magnifications darken the sky and so increase contrast (which has the effect of increasing the limiting magnitude). Also, the observers pupil size has a substantial effect too and thus must be taken into account.

The standard limiting magnitude calculation can be expressed as:

LM = 2.5 * LOG10( (Aperture / Pupil_Size)2 ) + NELM

But obviously this does not take into account the darkening effects of magnification. After reading the Wikipedia page on Limiting Magnitude I came up with the following equation.

LM = (NELM - 2) + 2.5 LOG10( ((Aperture / Pupil_Size)2) * power)

However, the equation above is exaggerating answer. In fact, it is about two magnitudes too high. I am also not sure why the Wikipedia article was suggested subtracting 2 from the NELM, but without it, the answer is even further out.

I did some further digging around and managed to come up with the following equation which does give a reliable limiting magnitude while factoring the telescopes transmission but does not include the observers pupil size.

Stage One

Darkening_Factor =
28.57 - 2.814 * NELM + 0.369 * NELM2 + 5 * LOG10( power / (aperture * √ transmission_coefficient) )

Stage Two

LM =
-22.81 + 1.792 * Darkening_Factor - 0.02949 * Darkening_Factor2 + 2.5 * LOG10( Aperture2 ) * transmission_coefficient)

As stated above, this seems to work well but does not include the observers pupil size. I have played around with the equation by doing the following but sadly this does not seem to work. Also, I am not sure what all those constants mean in stage one and two.

Stage Two - Modified: Does NOT Work

LM =
-22.81 + 1.792 * Darkening_Factor - 0.02949 * Darkening_Factor2 + 2.5 * LOG10( (Aperture / pupil_size)2) * transmission_coefficient)

I would be grateful if somebody could point me in the right direction. I believe I am nearly there, that is, aside from reliably including the observers pupil size.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Amanda
 
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Thank you Chronos

I am aware of the online calculator, I've been using it to test my calculations. However, for various reasons, want to make these calculations myself. I will take a look at the Limiting Magnitude article; it looks just what I am looking for.

Many Thanks
Amanda
 

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