Calculating Distance on a Spherical Earth Using Trigonometry

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The discussion revolves around calculating the shortest distance between two points on the surface of a spherical Earth using trigonometry, specifically focusing on spherical trigonometry concepts. Participants explore methods to derive this distance given the latitude and longitude of the points in question.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on finding the shortest distance between two geographic coordinates, indicating familiarity with converting coordinates but uncertainty about subsequent steps.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric relationships and mentions the possibility of employing the dot product, questioning the level of mathematical knowledge of the original poster.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a great circle (geodesic) as the shortest distance between two points on a sphere, referencing its practical application in airline navigation.
  • One participant proposes a spherical right triangle approach, stating that the spherical version of the Pythagorean theorem can be applied, with a formula involving the angular distance and the Earth's radius.
  • Another participant reiterates the spherical Pythagorean theorem and suggests a specific calculation method for determining the distance using the Earth's radius and the cosine of the angular differences.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, including different mathematical methods and concepts. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate the distance.

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Some participants reference specific mathematical relationships and formulas, but the discussion lacks clarity on the assumptions behind these methods and how they apply to the given coordinates. There are also potential ambiguities in the definitions of angular differences.

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I am the captain of my schools academic team. One of the main topics this year is Spherical trig and I can't find out how to find the shortest distance between two points on Earth given the longitude and latitude of both points. I can easily convert the points from Degree- minute- second format to degree format but I don't know what to do from there. for example what is the distance between 53 09 02N ; 001 50 40W and 52 12 17N ; 000 08 26E?
 
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thharrimw said:
I am the captain of my schools academic team. One of the main topics this year is Spherical trig and I can't find out how to find the shortest distance between two points on Earth given the longitude and latitude of both points. I can easily convert the points from Degree- minute- second format to degree format but I don't know what to do from there. for example what is the distance between 53 09 02N ; 001 50 40W and 52 12 17N ; 000 08 26E?

I'm not sure what level of math you're in. If you can make a triangle between the center of the Earth and the two points, then you, can use trigonometric relationships to get the distance. Have you learned about the dot product yet? Or are you trying to do this based on basic geometry? Anyway, once you know the angle to getting the distance is basic trig if you go through, the earth. If you want the arc length then you S=r \theta where \theta is in radians.
 
I'm in calculus 2 but the academic bowl is algebra, basic geometry and Spherical trig. i know how to find the dot product between two vectors from the little that i have done with vector algebra but i needed to find out the length by moveing on the Earth's serface. how could i do that given the infromation stated above??
 
A great circle is also called a Geodesic. A Geodesic is the shortest distance between two points on a sphere. The airlines call these Great Circles and they like to fly on them to save fuel. Click on this link for more information.

http://www.black-holes.org/relativity5.html
 
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If \theta is the difference between the latitudes and \phi is the difference between the latitudes, then you have a spherical right triangle with legs of angular length \theta and \phi. The spherical version of the Pythagorean theorem is cos(\mu)= cos(\phi)cos(\theta) where \mu is the angular distance between the points. The actual distance between them is \mu times the radius of the earth.


Check
http://www.math.uncc.edu/~droyster/math3181/notes/hyprgeom/node5.html
for more information.
 
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If \theta is the difference between the latitudes and \phi is the difference between the latitudes, then you have a spherical right triangle with legs of angular length \theta and \phi. The spherical version of the Pythagorean theorem is cos(\mu)= cos(\phi)cos(\theta) where \mu is the angular distance between the points. The actual distance between them is \mu times the radius of the earth.

so all that i would have to do is take 6 378.1km* ArcCos(Cos(\phi)Cos(\theta) and that would give me the distance of my great circle?
 

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