Calculating Expectation of $X$ for a Nonnegative RV

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation of a nonnegative random variable (RV) defined using indicator functions. Participants explore the properties of expectation and how to apply them to derive the correct answer from given options.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an exercise involving a nonnegative RV and asks how to calculate its expectation, suggesting the answer should be 2.
  • Another participant introduces properties of expectation, such as linearity and scaling, to assist in solving the problem.
  • There is a discussion on the indicator function, with a participant explaining its meaning and its relation to probabilities.
  • Participants engage in a step-by-step breakdown of the calculation of expectation, using properties of expectation to express it in terms of probabilities.
  • One participant confirms their understanding of the calculations involving the indicator functions and their probabilities.
  • Another participant correctly identifies the answer choice related to the expectation calculation, leading to further clarification on the steps needed to derive it.
  • There is a focus on the transition from the expectation of the RV to the expectation of a scaled version of the RV, with participants discussing the necessary calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of expectation and how to apply them to the problem, but there is no consensus on the final answer until the calculations are fully worked through.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations involving indicator functions and the transition between different forms of the expectation. The discussion does not resolve all steps clearly, leaving some assumptions and dependencies on definitions unaddressed.

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Good morning. Can you help me to solve this exercise. The correct answer should be the 2, but how is it calculated? Thanks.

Let $l_{+}$ be the set of nonnegative simple rv’s. Pick $X=7\cdot I _{\left \{ X\leqslant 7 \right \}}+7\varepsilon \cdot I_{\left \{ X> 7 \right \}}\epsilon l_{+}$ , for $\varepsilon > 0$. What statement is TRUE?

(1): $E(X)=P(X>7)$;
(2): $E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon }{X})=\frac{7}{\varepsilon }P(X\leqslant 7)+7P(X> 7)$;
(3): $E(X)=0$;
(4): $\frac{E(X)}{7}=P(X\geqslant 7)$, provided that $\varepsilon \rightarrow 0$;
(5): $E(X)=\varepsilon $.
 
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Hi Francobati,

Welcome. (Wave) Your problem can be solved using the following properties of expectation.

1. $E(X + Y) = E(X) + E(Y)$

2. $E(tX) = tE(X)$ ($t$ is a constant)

Give it a try, and if you have any questions then let me know. :D
 
Thanks, but I can not do the calculation because I have not understood the indicator operation.
 
If $A$ is an event, then $I_A(w) = 1$ if $w\in A$ and $0$ if $w\notin A$. So $E(I_A) = P(A)$.
 
Ok, thank you. In the case of exercise which calculations I have to do to get a reply? Excuse me, but I am stuck.
 
Using the addition property (property 1) for expectation, we have

$$E(X) = E(7I_{\{X \le 7\}}) + E(7\varepsilon I_{\{X > 7\}})$$

By property 2 of expectation,

$$E(7I_{\{X \le 7\}}) = 7E(I_{\{X\le 7\}})\quad \text{and}\quad E(7\varepsilon I_{\{X > 7\}}) = 7\varepsilon E(I_{\{X > 7\}}).$$

Thus

$$E(X) = 7E(I_{\{X \le 7\}}) + 7\varepsilon E(I_{\{X > 7\}}).$$

Now use the result $E(I_A) = P(A)$ for any event $A$ to determine which answer choice is best.
 
Thanks. As a step from $E(X)=7E(I_{{X\leqslant 7}})+7\varepsilon E(I_{X> 7})$ to $E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon }{X})=\frac{7}{\varepsilon }P(X\leqslant 7)+7P(X> 7)$;? I do some recollection to common factor? And what?
 
There are intermediate steps involved. What is $E(I_{X > 7})$? What is $E(I_{X \le 7})$? Answer those questions first.
 
Unfortunately I do not know to calculate it. Is $E(I_{X>7})=P(X>7)$ and $E(I_{X\leqslant 7})=P(X\leqslant 7)$?
 
  • #10
You are correct!
 
  • #11
And after?
 
  • #12
Well, look at the last equation in Post #6. Since $E(I_{X \leqslant 7}) = P(X \leqslant 7)$ and $E(I_{X > 7}) = P(X > 7)$, then

$$E(X) = 7P(X \leqslant 7) + 7\varepsilon P(X > 7)$$
 
  • #13
Ok, thanks. Perfect! Now I have to go by $E(X)=7P(X\leqslant 7)+7\varepsilon P(X>7)$ to $E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon}X)=\frac{7}{\varepsilon}P(X\leqslant 7)+7P(X>7)$. What calculations do I need to do? There is perhaps some recollection to common factor to do?
 
  • #14
You correctly identified answer (2) as the correct answer choice. To get the that step, use property (2) of expectation.
 
  • #15
$E(tX)=tE(X)$
$E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon }X)=\frac{1}{\varepsilon }E(X)$
$E(X)=7P(X\leqslant 7)+7\varepsilon P(X>7)$
$E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon }X)=\frac{1}{\varepsilon }(7P(X\leqslant 7)+7\varepsilon P(X>7))$
$E(\frac{1}{\varepsilon }X)=\frac{7}{\varepsilon }P(X\leqslant 7)+7P(X>7)$
Correct?
 
  • #16
Yes, that's correct.
 

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