Calculating Final Temperature of Mixed Ice and Water Sample | No Heat Loss

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final temperature of a mixture of ice and water, specifically a 19.2 g sample of ice at -10.0°C mixed with 100.0 g of water at 74.9°C, under the assumption of no heat loss to the surroundings. The focus is on the application of heat transfer principles and thermodynamic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial calculations for heating the ice to 0°C and then melting it, but expresses confusion over the final temperature calculation.
  • Another participant points out that the final temperature cannot exceed the initial temperature of the warmer water, indicating a flaw in the initial calculation.
  • A further reply emphasizes that the final temperature for both the melted ice and the warmer water must be the same, suggesting that heat gained by the cold water must equal the heat lost by the warm water.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to relate the temperatures of the two water samples since they are not at equilibrium initially.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the final temperature must be the same for both water samples, but there is disagreement on the correct approach to calculate it and the validity of the initial calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the heat transfer process and the specific conditions under which the calculations are made, including the treatment of phase changes and the specific heat capacities involved.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying thermodynamics, particularly those working on heat transfer problems involving phase changes and mixtures.

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Homework Statement



A 19.2 g sample of ice at -10.0°C is mixed with 100.0 g of water at 74.9°C. Calculate the final temperature of the mixture assuming no heat loss to the surroundings. The heat capacities of H2O(s) and H2O(l) are 2.08 and 4.18 J g-1 °C-1, respectively, and the enthalpy of fusion for ice is 6.02 kJ/mol.
__________ degrees Celsius

Homework Equations



q = mass * specific heat * (delta) temp

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought I knew how to do it but keep getting it wrong. =(

19.2 g ice at -10.0 deg going to 0 deg:
19.2g x 2.08 J/g deg x 10 deg = 399.96 J
Melting 19.0 g ice at 0 deg requires-
19.2g x (1/18.02 g/mol) x 6.02kJ/mol x 1000 J/kJ x = 6350.77 J
399.96 + 6350.77 = 6750 J
That energy will come from cooling 100.0 g H20:
6750 = (100)(4.18)(T-74.9)
T(final) = 91.04

thats wrong on webassign though...

I also tried doing 74.9 - T to see if that works and I get 58.8 but that's wrong too.

Thanks for any help! =)
 
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Once the ice gets melted you have a mixture of 19.2g water at 0 deg C and 100g water at some other temperature. Neither of these temperatures is final.

Also note that 91.04 is obviously wrong - you can't take a water at 74.9 deg C, add ice to it and end with water that is hotter than it was before.
 
Hmmm...then how would I relate the temps if they are not final? What else would I need to do?? :-/
 
You know that cold water has to get warmer and the cold one has to get colder. Heat gained = heat lost, they have both identical final temperature.
 

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