Calculating Force on a Bouncing Ball

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force exerted on a bouncing ball during its contact with the floor. The problem involves a ball with a specified mass and initial and final velocities, and participants are exploring the implications of these values in the context of momentum change.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of momentum using the given velocities and mass. There is confusion regarding the methodology for determining the change in momentum, with some questioning the original poster's approach to using a formula involving the mass of the Earth.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the correct values for initial and final momentum, and there is acknowledgment that the time of contact with the floor is appropriate for calculating the force. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and calculations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the original poster's confusion regarding the interpretation of given speeds and the need for clarity on the definitions of momentum and force. There is also mention of the original poster's state of fatigue, which may be affecting their understanding.

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Force on a bouncing ball?

Homework Statement



this should be easy but for some reason I am making a mistake here is the problem

A ball whose mass is 0.2 kg hits the floor with a speed of 5 m/s and rebounds upward with a speed of 4 m/s. If the ball was in contact with the floor for 1.5 ms (1.5 E -3 s), what was the average magnitude of the force exerted on the ball by the floor?


The attempt at a solution

what i did was use delta(P) = Fnet * delta(t)
change in momentum equals net force times change in time

i can find change of momentum of the ball by

P3 = ((m (+-) M) / (m + M)) * P1
P1 is inital momentum of ball so just m*v .2 * 5 = 1 but would be - because movind down
m is just .2 and big M is mass of Earth
solve equation i got P3 to be 1
so i took final P minus inital P and get 2
then divided this by 1.5 E -3 to find Fnet and get some answer like 1333.333 N
that seems too big so was wondering where i messed up (or is it right)
 
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I don't understand your methodology for solving for the momentum. Both the initial and final velocities of the ball are given meaning that both momenta can be calculated directly, right?
 


BishopUser said:
I don't understand your methodology for solving for the momentum. Both the initial and final velocities of the ball are given meaning that both momenta can be calculated directly, right?

wow no for some reason i was thinking the given speeds was the acceleration. then i had to use that to figure out velocity and then momentum.

so i would use p = m*v to find final and inital
final = .2 * 4 = .8
inital = .2 * 5 = 1 (which will be -1 because it is moving towards the earth)
final - inital = 1.8 this is my change in momentum

then could i just use the change in momentum = fnet times change in time?
would my change in time just be the time it is in contact with the floor?
 


Well, the time given is the time that the ball is in contact with the floor, which is when the momentum change is taking place, so yes I would say that is the correct delta T to plug in.
 


BishopUser said:
Well, the time given is the time that the ball is in contact with the floor, which is when the momentum change is taking place, so yes I would say that is the correct delta T to plug in.

oh ok... i got it now.
im sleep deprived and my brain
is not working right now. need to
get more than 3 hrs of sleep tonight
haha
thanks for the help!
 

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