Calculating force we need to turn

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to move a cylinder with specific dimensions and weight. The focus is on the mechanics of rolling motion, particularly in relation to friction and rolling resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the force needed to move a cylinder with given dimensions and weight.
  • Another participant asks whether the cylinder is rolling or sliding and what material it is being pushed on, indicating the importance of friction in the calculation.
  • A participant asserts that if there is no friction and the surface is perfectly flat, very little force would be needed to initiate rolling.
  • Rolling resistance is described as the weight of the cylinder multiplied by its rolling resistance coefficient, suggesting that this coefficient is crucial for determining the force required.
  • One participant references the formula F=m.a, but another clarifies that the force needed is related to weight and rolling resistance, not acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of friction and rolling resistance in calculating the required force, indicating that there is no consensus on the specifics of the calculation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the surface conditions or the exact values of the rolling resistance coefficient, which are critical for accurate calculations.

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Hello


I have a cylinder that diameter is 60 mm,length is 500 mm and this is approximately 11 kg .If i want to move the cylinder,how much force do i need to move?
How i calculate this kind of cylinders?
 
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are you rolling it? or is it sliding on it's circular face? what material is it being pushed on?
 
yes,it is being rolled and if u want to learn about friction value,it doesn't matter.
 
well, if no friction, and perfectly flat surface, I don't think you need very much force at all. it's so precariously balanced on a hard line, that it should fall forward (roll) at the slightest push.

rolling resistance is your weight (lbs or Newtons(kgs*9.81)) multiplied by your rolling resistance coeff. If no rolling resistance coefficient than no force to overcome that roll.
 
Thanx huntoon :), you say that we use this formula ( F=m.a) .
 
I didn't say that. I said the force you need to roll something is it's weight * its rolling resistance coeff.
 

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