Calculating Maximum Weight on a Tipping Table with a Cat: Torque Analysis

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to torque analysis on a tipping table, specifically calculating the maximum weight that can be placed on the table while considering the presence of a cat. The problem involves understanding the balance of torques and forces acting on the table.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss setting the axis of rotation and the contributions of various forces to the net torque. There are attempts to rearrange equations to solve for maximum weight, with some questioning the inclusion of the cat's weight and its distance from the axis of rotation.

Discussion Status

Several attempts have been made to derive the expression for maximum weight, with participants noting discrepancies in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how the presence of the cat alters the forces involved, and some participants are revisiting their previous assumptions about the forces acting on the table.

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Participants mention that the calculations were initially done without considering the cat's weight, which may have led to confusion in the results. There is also a reference to an image containing problem details and previous answers, which may be influencing the current discussion.

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Homework Statement


http://imgur.com/dMw79w1

The image contains the problem as well as the answers to the previous problems.

Homework Equations


Net torque = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I set the axis of rotation to be the bottom of the table (where it goes through Fx and F0)
τdue to downward forces = τdue to upward forces
τvase + τtable + τcat = τdue to Fy (Fy (the solution to Fy is in the image)
WvY + WtLy/2 + WmaxLy = Wt/2 + WvY/Ly

Rearrange for Wmax:
Wmax = Wt/2Ly + WvY/Ly2 - WvY/Ly - Wt/2

The answer to the question is:
Wmax = Wv(1 - X/Lx - Y/Ly)

I don't know how to obtain this answer from my answer above.
 
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It seems that I forgot to include the distance the cat is from the axis of rotation (Ly). After including it, I got Wmax = 0.
 
So here it the attempt once again:
WvY + WtLy/2 + WmaxLy = (Wt/2 + WvY/Ly)(Ly)

Rearranging for Wmax:
WmaxLy = (Wt/2 + WvY/Ly)(Ly) - WvY - WtLy/2
Wmax = Wt/2 + WvY/Ly - WvY/Ly - Wt/2
Wmax = 0 N
 
henry3369 said:
So here it the attempt once again:
WvY + WtLy/2 + WmaxLy = (Wt/2 + WvY/Ly)(Ly)

Rearranging for Wmax:
WmaxLy = (Wt/2 + WvY/Ly)(Ly) - WvY - WtLy/2
Wmax = Wt/2 + WvY/Ly - WvY/Ly - Wt/2
Wmax = 0 N
The upward forces were calculated in the absence of a cat.
 
haruspex said:
The upward forces were calculated in the absence of a cat.
The cat exerts a downward force on the table though (the weight), which is shonw by WmaxLy
 
henry3369 said:
The cat exerts a downward force on the table though (the weight), which is shonw by WmaxLy
Yes, but you used the expressions obtained for Fx etc. in the first part. There was no cat then. The forces will be different now.
 

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