Calculating Minimum Energy for Gamma-Ray Displacement of Carbon Atoms

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum energy required to displace carbon atoms using gamma rays, particularly in the context of a PhD project. Participants explore theoretical approaches, including momentum conservation and Compton scattering, while addressing the complexities of energy transfer in these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula for displacement energy (Ed) for carbon in diamond and seeks a similar calculation method for gamma rays.
  • Another participant suggests using momentum conservation, noting that the gamma ray must provide at least half the momentum corresponding to the displacement energy.
  • A participant mentions that for Co60 gamma rays, most lattice damage occurs via Compton scattering and provides a relation for energy transfer between the gamma and recoil electron.
  • There is a correction regarding the energy values used, with a participant realizing an error in their calculations related to the gamma energy.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between the energy imparted to the electron versus the energy needed to displace the nucleus, with references to literature supporting the interaction mechanism.
  • One participant confirms the possibility of gamma rays displacing atoms through energy transfer to electrons, emphasizing the need to consider subsequent electron-nucleus collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the calculations and interpretations of energy transfer mechanisms, indicating that multiple competing models and approaches remain without a consensus on the best method to calculate the minimum energy for gamma-ray displacement of carbon atoms.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their calculations, including potential errors in energy values and the need for clarity on whether the focus is on electron or nucleus displacement. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific scattering events and energy transfer dynamics.

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Hi everyone,

For one of my PhD project I am trying to calculate the minimum energy required to displace a carbon atoms with gamma rays.

Knowing the displacement energy (Ed) for C in diamond (30 -40 eV), I've managed to calculate the minimum energy required using electron with the formula:

Ed=2(E+2mc^2)E/Mc^2

Where E is the energy of the electron beam in KeV, m is the rest mass of the electron and M is the carbon mass.

There is any simple way to calculate the same result for gamma?

Sorry for the stupid question but being a chemist I struggle a bit with this kind of stuff.
 
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You can use momentum conservation. Those 30-40 eV correspond to some momentum, the gamma ray has to provide at least half that value (the other half is gained from re-emission). A reasonable cross-section will need a higher energy, however.
 
Hi mfb
Thanks for the hint.
Reading couple of paper I found out that for the kind of gamma I am using (Co60) most of the lattice damage will be done by Compton scattering. As a result of that the relation between the energy of the gamma and the recoil electron should be:
E=Eg*(1-cosθ)/[(Ee/Eg)+(1-cosθ)]

Computing the equation, considering Eg=1.48MeV, Ee=0.511MeV and the scattering angle θ=π to get the maximum energy achievable, I obtain an energy for the recoil electron of 1.26MeV which to me sound a bit too much.
 
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That's the right answer! For a gamma of 1.48 MeV, anyway. Co60 has gammas at 1.173 and 1.332 MeV. Where did you get 1.48?

Also, this is the energy of the scattered photon, the energy of the electron is the energy of the photopeak less this energy

If you look at a compton scattering spectrum for 60Co, shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_spectroscopy#mediaviewer/File:Co60_Spectrum.JPG

You'll see a sharp cutoff at channel ~580 - that's the energy associated with θ=π.

ETA: But! Is this really what you want to know? This calculates the energy imparted to the electron, not the nucleus, which is what I thought you wanted from your OP?
 
Hi e,bar.goum

I did an error writing up the energy on excel. I do not know 1.48MeV comes from.

"this is the energy of the scattered photon, the energy of the electron is the energy of the photopeak less this energy"
So the energy that I calculated will be the energy of the gamma photon after the scattering not the one acquired by the electron.

e.bar.goum said:
ETA: But! Is this really what you want to know? This calculates the energy imparted to the electron, not the nucleus, which is what I thought you wanted from your OP?
From the info that I found on some paper the gamma can displaced atoms via the interaction with the electron in the solid. Am I wrong?

Here the line quoted from an article:
"Gamma rays can displace atoms by first transferring energy to an electron, which transfer energy to a lattice atoms through and electron-atom scattering event." - Kwon, J., & Motta, A. T. (2000). Gamma displacement cross-sections in various materials. Annals of Nuclear Energy, 27(18), 1627–1642. doi:10.1016/S0306-4549(00)00024-4
 
Yes this is possible. Then you'll first need the maximal electron energy, and consider the electron/nucleus collision afterwards.
 
Thanks guys!
 

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