Gamma absorption at increasing energy levels

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The discussion centers on the absorption modes of gamma rays in matter, particularly focusing on energies below and above 500 MeV. Participants explore various mechanisms of absorption, their relative strengths, and the implications for cosmic ray interactions and energy limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the main absorption mechanisms for gamma rays under 500 MeV, including photoelectric absorption, Compton scattering, electron-positron pair production, and photonuclear absorption, and questions the absorption characteristics in the 40-400 MeV range.
  • Another participant asserts that electron pair production remains the dominant process in regular matter, referencing high-energy electron production at the LHC.
  • Estimates for muon pair production are discussed, with a participant noting that the ratio of electron to muon pair production is proportional to the inverse square of mass, suggesting a significant difference in their occurrence rates.
  • One participant mentions that pair production cross-sections are typically several barns and that inelastic processes with nuclei are generally smaller, implying that these are negligible in many cases.
  • Concerns are raised about the prominence of pion production edges due to blueshifted relic radiation as a limiting factor on cosmic ray energy, questioning how this compares to positron pair production.
  • A later reply reiterates the importance of pion production in limiting proton range, emphasizing the differences in energy loss mechanisms between pion production and pair production in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of various absorption mechanisms, particularly regarding the prominence of pion production compared to positron pair production. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the implications for cosmic rays.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in estimating cross-sections for certain processes and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the energy levels and types of nuclei involved.

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Which are main absorption modes of matter for gamma rays under about 500 MeV? And how strong is the absorption?

For low energies (under 20 MeV) the mechanisms are:
1) Photoelectric absorption - all energies from eV range onwards
2) Compton scattering - all energies enough to displace the electron
3) Electron-positron pair production - starting at 1022 keV
4) Photonuclear absorption - beginning at 1,7 MeV for Be-9, and edges going on to about 20 MeV for He-4

But then on? How absorptive is matter in the range of 40...400 MeV?
The next edges should be:
5) N+γ→N+π, from 140 MeV
6) Muon pair production, from 212 MeV+recoil, which is a lot
7) N+γ→Δ, about 300 MeV, but a broad one because Δ is a resonance, thus wide

Is any of these edges distinguished by a significant intensity compared to the background level of absorption due to 1...4, between the 30...100 MeV range?
 
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Electron pair production stays the dominant process in regular matter. The LHC produces electrons with more than 1 TeV and they still form regular electromagnetic showers.
 
Found estimates for muon pair production. The ratio of electron and muon pair production above threshold turns out to be proportional to inverse square of mass - so 40 000 times less.
But this does not estimate the cross-section for pi meson production - directly or via delta resonance.
How much is that, compared to electron pairs?
 
Pair production is typically several barns (increasing with Z). Inelastic processes with a nucleus are smaller than a barn, and specific reactions are even smaller. I don't have numbers but it is negligible in most cases.
 
mfb said:
Pair production is typically several barns (increasing with Z). Inelastic processes with a nucleus are smaller than a barn, and specific reactions are even smaller. I don't have numbers but it is negligible in most cases.

Well, pion production edge due to blueshifted relic radiation is claimed to be a major limit on cosmic ray range/energy.
How prominent is that pion production edge over positron pair production in order for this claim to be plausible?
 
snorkack said:
Well, pion production edge due to blueshifted relic radiation is claimed to be a major limit on cosmic ray range/energy.
How prominent is that pion production edge over positron pair production in order for this claim to be plausible?
That limits the range of protons. Protons have a weaker electric field than all other nuclei and the photon-electron interactions are completely missing in this scenario. In addition the energy loss from pion production is much larger than the energy loss from electron/positron pair production in this scenario - something that doesn't apply if we care about the photon.
 

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