Calculating number of ion channels in lipid bilayer

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of ion channels present in a lipid bilayer, utilizing parameters such as conductance, diffusion constant, and concentration. The subject area includes biophysics and electrophysiology, focusing on the behavior of ion channels in membranes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between measured conductance and the number of channels, questioning the validity of their calculations and the assumptions made regarding conductance. There are attempts to verify the formula N = Gm/G1 for calculating the number of channels.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and whether they are applying the correct assumptions, such as the presence of leak conductance. Others have attempted to clarify their understanding but are still seeking assistance with specific calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention difficulties in accessing reference materials and the potential for discrepancies in provided answers. There is an indication that the expected number of channels is around 3E6, but the calculations leading to this result are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



Calculate number of channels present in a lipid bilayer


q = 1.6^-19; D (diffusion constant) = 1.2E-9; C (Concentration); 4.36; k = 1.38E-23; T=298; d = 2.5E-9

Therefore G1 = 1.27E-17

Channel area = 7.07E-18

measured conductance (from injecting Na+ concentration of 100mM) = 149.24uS

Homework Equations



G1 (conductance) = q^2DC/kTd

Gm = g/[tex]\pi[/tex]r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Conductance of a single channel = 1.27E-12 x 7.07E-18
Number of channels = Gm/G1 ??

Calculating the number of channels is what is getting to me. I have the area of the channel, and I have a measured conductance from injecting a concentration

Thanks!
 
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The conductances sum as you mention. I would think that N = Gm/G1 just as you suppose. Did you not get the right answer?
 
Yep. Tried that and my answer came out a few order of magnitudes out...double and triple checked all my work and still..could be that the answer given is incorrect.
Thanks!
 
Not sure and without access to my books/notes, may be unable to help here: in your modelling, do you assume that a leak conductance is present?
 
Thanks denverdoc.

I figured it out (I think). But yes, leak conductance was taken into account; I think the only way to go is to divide Gm/G1.

Cheers
 
Your welcome for what is is was worth--amazing how much one forgets--once upon a time,many moons ago, I was a post doc in an electrophysiology lab.:blushing:
 
So I thought I figured this out - but I haven't!

I have some values, as a test, and I can't seem to get it right.

Can anybody please help!? I know it uses the equations above, but something is going wrong in the last step when I'm trying to calculate the number of channels and conductance...I know what the answers should be; number of channels is 3E6


Data:

bilayer area = 1.1E-6m2
bilayer thickness = 2.5E-9m
channel radius = 1.5E-9m
channel thickness = 2.5E-9
diffusion constant = 1.2E-9
dielectric constant = 2.3
change in energy (i.e [tex]\Delta[/tex]U or sometimes [tex]\Delta[/tex]E)

can anybody help please?
 

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