Calculating pressure within a system at a specific location?

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The discussion revolves around calculating pressure at different points within a fluid system, specifically at points B and C. The subject area includes fluid mechanics and hydrostatic pressure principles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between pressures at different points, questioning the rationale behind calculations and the principles governing pressure differences. There is an emphasis on understanding how pressure translates between columns of fluid and the effects of elevation on pressure readings.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, seeking clarification on the principles involved in pressure calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of pressure differences, but there remains a lack of consensus on specific calculations and assumptions.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of hydrostatic principles, particularly in relation to the density of fluids involved and the elevation of points within the system. Participants are also navigating the implications of using different fluids in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


dp/dz = -ρh

Pressure varies linearly with the depth.

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, I have calculated the pressure at point B.
PB = PA - (0.3m)*(1000kg/m^3)*(9.81m/s^2)
PB = 88057 Pa

Calculating the pressure at point C. However, my attempt is incorrect and I do not understand why I cannot use the pressure at point B to calculate the pressure at point C.

PC = PB - (0.6m)*(1.225kg/m^3)*(9.81m/s^2)
PC = 88049 Pa[/B]

I would appreciate any sort of assistance! Thank you in advance.
 

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I see two solutions, one called the "solution", and another called "The attempt at a solution". Is the first one a solution given to you, along with the problem, or is it a first attempt by you to get a solution?
Let us first state the principles: How did you translate the pressure from one column to the other? For example, in your calculation of pB, which is the same in both solutions, you used a principle, which allowed you to use the extra height of water in the middle column. What is that principle?
 
russiansplash said:
Calculating the pressure at point C. However, my attempt is incorrect and I do not understand why I cannot use the pressure at point B to calculate the pressure at point C.

PC = PB - (0.6m)*(1.225kg/m^3)*(9.81m/s^2)
PC = 88049 Pa


I would appreciate any sort of assistance! Thank you in advance.
You can indeed calculate the pressure at point C, given the pressure at point B. But you need to do it correctly. What was your rationale for writing the equation the way you did? From the diagram, do you expect the pressure at C to be higher than at B or lower than at B?
 
Chestermiller said:
You can indeed calculate the pressure at point C, given the pressure at point B. But you need to do it correctly. What was your rationale for writing the equation the way you did? From the diagram, do you expect the pressure at C to be higher than at B or lower than at B?
Thank you for the speedy response. The pressure at C should be lower as it is at a higher elevation. However, in the provided solution it quotes a value of pressure higher than that of point B. I am probably missing a point but I do not seem to understand how the pressure is higher at C.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
I see two solutions, one called the "solution", and another called "The attempt at a solution". Is the first one a solution given to you, along with the problem, or is it a first attempt by you to get a solution?
Let us first state the principles: How did you translate the pressure from one column to the other? For example, in your calculation of pB, which is the same in both solutions, you used a principle, which allowed you to use the extra height of water in the middle column. What is that principle?
Sorry for not making it clear, the attached image is the solution to the problem and my attempt was a first attempt. Also, I translated the pressure from one column to the other because at the same elevations the pressure remains constant?
 
russiansplash said:
Thank you for the speedy response. The pressure at C should be lower as it is at a higher elevation. However, in the provided solution it quotes a value of pressure higher than that of point B. I am probably missing a point but I do not seem to understand how the pressure is higher at C.
The pressure at C is higher than at B because the column above the water surface is filled with (very low density) air. So the pressure at C is essentially the pressure at the water surface below C. Is that water surface above B or below B?
 
russiansplash said:
Sorry for not making it clear, the attached image is the solution to the problem and my attempt was a first attempt. Also, I translated the pressure from one column to the other because at the same elevations the pressure remains constant?
The pressure remains constant at a given elevation only if it is the same fluid.
 
Chestermiller said:
The pressure at C is higher than at B because the column above the water surface is filled with (very low density) air. So the pressure at C is essentially the pressure at the water surface below C. Is that water surface above B or below B?
Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by whether the water surface is above or below point B? I cannot get my head around this, could you perhaps provide more guidance? I'd really appreciate it.
 
russiansplash said:
Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by whether the water surface is above or below point B? I cannot get my head around this, could you perhaps provide more guidance? I'd really appreciate it.
Look in the right hand section where C is located. How far above the bottom of the tank is the water surface? How far above the bottom of the tank is the water surface located in the middle section, where point B is located? Is the water surface in the right hand section higher of lower than the water surface in the center section?
 

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