Calculating the doppler red shift

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Doppler redshift, specifically addressing the steps outlined in a linked resource. Participants express confusion regarding the transitions between steps in the derivation and the definitions of certain variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the substitution of the period of oscillation (T) into the equations and express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between variables such as wavelength (λ) and velocity (v). There is also discussion about the algebraic manipulation of expressions involving these variables.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the substitution of T and the simplification of expressions. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the clarity of the steps involved, with ongoing questions about specific transitions and definitions.

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Participants note that the original resource does not explicitly define certain variables or provide detailed explanations for each step, which contributes to the confusion in understanding the derivation process.

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I'm working on this problem here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/redshf2.html

The answer is already listed, it's the steps I'm worried about.

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I don't see how they get from step 1 to step 2 here. They don't even tell me what T is. It seems that they are substitution T into the equation. I would think T = lambda/c+v but that's not what they're doing here.

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I can't get from step 2 to 3, nor 3 to 4. They don't tell you what the equation for lambda source is, so I don't see how they work that into the equation.

Beta = v/c

Well if that's true then (1+v/c)^2 = 1 + 2v/c + (v/c)^2 not what they have.
 
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Hi Robertjford80
T is the period of oscillation, so you have λ=cT or T=λ/c (since the propagation speed of the wave is the speed of light)
This is the substitution made in the first step to the second.
To go to the next step, you use a simple identity
1-x^2=(1-x)(1+x) (for the uppur part, the square comes from puttint everything in the square root)
The next step is just simplifying by (1+v/c) and defining β.

Cheers...
 
if T = lamba/c and if lambda = c/v then (c/v)/c = 1/v. I don't see that in the equation. I can see how they go from 1-x^2 to (1-x)(1+x) in the denominator but not in the numerator.

I understand step 3 to 4 now.
 
T=λ/c so the T in the first step is simply replaced by it.
Look at the two equations, there is nothing else to it, you replace T by λ/c, and the c goes down
This c is later what goes in the numerator:
(c+v)/c = 1+v/c
you square it to put it into the square root, and it becomes
√[(1+v/c)(1+v/c)]

Cheers...
 
I understand now. thanks.
 

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