Calculating the size of planets from length of days.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the approximate size of a hypothetical planet based on its day/night cycle length. Participants explore the relationship between a planet's rotation speed, size, and other factors such as distance from the sun and the presence of moons. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and comparisons with known planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the size of a planet with a 20-minute day/night cycle, assuming Earth-like conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the rotation speed of planets does not directly correlate with their size, citing examples like Venus and Mercury.
  • Questions arise about what factors might correlate with rotation speed, including distance from the sun and the presence of moons.
  • A participant argues that the correlation between planet size and rotation speed may be lost after formation due to various influences, suggesting that direct measurements are necessary.
  • Discussion includes historical views on planet formation and the complexity introduced by the discovery of 'Hot Jupiters' and other planetary migration phenomena.
  • Another participant mentions tidal interactions and their effects on rotation speed and orbital dynamics, referencing the Earth's Moon as an example.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between a planet's size and its rotation speed, with no consensus reached on the factors that influence these characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods to estimate planet size based on rotation and other variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of planetary formation and the potential for various factors to influence rotation and size, indicating that assumptions may vary significantly based on different models and observations.

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So I'm not huge when it comes to physics. In fact I only created and account in order to ask this question. I'm am trying to figure out a way to calculate the approximate size of a planet based on how long it's day/night time cycle is. There is a lot of variability involved here. I think I understand that the rotation speed of planets is related to how it was formed, larger planets being faster. So I need to figure out the circumference of a hypothetical planet that has 20 minute days ( 10minute day, 7 minute night, 3 minutes of transition period.). It has a sun and one moon and is very similar to Earth in that it is the perfect distance from the sun to support life.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=310920
This thread helped me understand somethings.

So what would be the size of this planet. If you have to assume for any of the variables, assume they are the same as that of earth.

So how should I go about doing this?
 
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What you're asking is hard to determine (for me, at least).
Venus, which is pretty much like Earth, rotates extremely slowly. One day is a bit less than 250 Earth days. Looking at Mercury, a day is 58 Earth days.
 
So what you're saying is that planet size doesn't directly correlate to rotation speed? What does correlate to speed then? Would distance from the sun, presence of a moon, or number of moons be easier to calculate with? What data could actually be used to determine planet size other than direct measurements?
 
conrad141 said:
So what you're saying is that planet size doesn't directly correlate to rotation speed? What does correlate to speed then? Would distance from the sun, presence of a moon, or number of moons be easier to calculate with? What data could actually be used to determine planet size other than direct measurements?

I don't think there is any correlation. Perhaps during planet formation from the initial cloud, but later it gets lost for many reasons. I think Venus is tidally locked to Sun, like Moon and Earth. Also collisions of protoplanets can change their rotation speed.

So IMHO you have to measure.
 
We used to think the rule was small rocky planets inside the 'ice line' and gas giants outside.

The number of 'Hot Jupiters' showing up, some in eccentric and/or retrograde orbits has put paid to such simplicity.

Worse, it seems that forming planets can interact with their nebula's dust-disk and migrate-- Inwards or outwards. IIRC, the fuzzy edges of Kirkwood gaps in asteroid belt may be due to Jupiter migrating some-what...

IIRC, once planetismals begin to collide and merge into planet cores, size, day-length, even rotation direction and axial alignment are effectively random.

Then you have tidal interactions: IIRC, our Moon formed much closer to Earth than we see it, then tidal dissipation slowed the Earth from estimated ~6 hr day and eased the Moon's orbit outwards-- Thanks to lunar retro-flectors and laser ranging, we know both processes continue...
 

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