Calculating Torque for Rotating a Shaft with a 50,000kg Load at 4 RPM

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque required to rotate a shaft with a 50,000 kg load at a speed of 4 RPM, with a shaft diameter of 240 mm. Participants explore various aspects of torque calculation, including the influence of gearboxes and the relevance of different diameters in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the torque required to rotate a shaft with a specified load and speed.
  • Another participant provides a formula for torque based on the load and diameter, but it is unclear if this is universally accepted.
  • There is a question regarding whether to use the load application diameter or the gearbox mounting diameter for torque calculations.
  • Some participants assert that the load diameter should be used for torque calculations, referencing the relationship between input and output torque in a gearbox.
  • Clarification is sought on the meaning of the transmission relation (μ) in the context of torque calculations.
  • One participant mentions that if the system is turning at a constant speed, the diameter, mass, and length of the shaft do not affect the torque needed to maintain that speed, emphasizing the importance of the load and radius in torque calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that the participant needs to provide more details about the system setup, such as whether it involves a belt or chain drive, to clarify the torque calculation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which diameter to use for torque calculations and the relevance of shaft characteristics when the system is in motion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculating torque in this specific scenario.

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There are limitations in the discussion, including missing assumptions about the system configuration and the specific definitions of terms like "load diameter" and "transmission relation." The mathematical steps involved in calculating torque are not fully resolved.

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dear sir ,
i am little bit confused regarding calculation of torque my question is
what is the torque required to to rotate shaft with 50000kg load with 4 rpm speed and shaft dia is 240mm.
please suggest me.

thank you
 
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If the axis is the pulley then the torque will be: 50000.9,8.0,240/2 N.m
 
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felmon38 said:
If the axis is the pulley then the torque will be: 50000.9,8.0,240/2 N.m
I AM DRIVING WITH GEAR BOX AND SHAFT DIA AT THAT POINT IS 95 MM , SO WHICH ONE SHOULD I CHOOSE IS IT LOAD APPLICATION DIA OR GEAR BOX MOUNTING DIA?
 
You must use the load diameter. If you want to know the torque at the gear box input the power at the input and at the out one must be the same. That torque will be then Ti = To.μ, where μ is the transmission relation.
 
Rohit, could you give a little more detail about your problem? Is it a belt drive system or chain drive? If either of these, the torque would be your load times the radius of the pulley or sprocket. Not sure if the "shaft diameter" you mentioned was perhaps pulley or sprocket diameter, or that of the actual shaft. In a drive system, the actual shaft diameter wouldn't matter, only the diameter of the pulley, sprocket, or gear on it.
 
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Randy Beikmann said:
Rohit, could you give a little more detail about your problem? Is it a belt drive system or chain drive? If either of these, the torque would be your load times the radius of the pulley or sprocket. Not sure if the "shaft diameter" you mentioned was perhaps pulley or sprocket diameter, or that of the actual shaft. In a drive system, the actual shaft diameter wouldn't matter, only the diameter of the pulley, sprocket, or gear on it.
ITS ACTUAL DIAMETER OF SHAFT AND I AM DRIVING WITH GEAR BOX AND THAT GEAR BOX IS MOUNTED ON SHAFT DIAMETER OF 95 MM.
SO WHICH ONE SHOULD I PREFER AND HOW TO CALCULATE ?
 
felmon38 said:
You must use the load diameter. If you want to know the torque at the gear box input the power at the input and at the out one must be the same. That torque will be then Ti = To.μ, where μ is the transmission relation.

I DIDN'T GET WHAT IS THE μ . WILL U PLEASE TEL ME IN DETAIL
 
Rohit, if the system is turning at a constant speed, the diameter, mass, and length of the shaft don't matter - per Newton's first law, it takes no torque to rotate a body at a constant velocity.
What matters is the torque you are driving - the load. Now, you said the load was 50,000 kg, which is really 50,000*9.81 Newtons, as a force. But that's not torque. To get torque, you need to know the radius at which the load is driven. Then T=Fr, where F is the load and r is the radius. If there is a gear box in between, you'd also have to multiply by the reduction ratio.
If this doesn't fit your actual problem well enough, you'll need to be more descriptive of it. Are you using the shaft to drive a cable that lifts a weight with a mass of 50,000 kg? I would think it through a little more based on this answer, and then state the problem very clearly. And then you'll probably solve it yourself!
 

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