Calculating Work: Lowering a Piano with Two Ropes

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The problem involves calculating the work done by gravity and two tension forces while lowering a piano using two ropes. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically work and energy principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by gravity and the tension forces, with some confusion about the signs of the work values. Questions arise regarding the correct application of angles in the calculations and whether the work should be positive or negative.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the calculations for the tension forces without subtracting from the work done by gravity. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of angles in relation to the direction of motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the angles provided in the problem statement and questioning their relevance to the calculation of work. There is also a discussion about the signs of the work values based on the direction of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


The two ropes are used to lower a 267.18 kg piano 5.34 m from a second-story window to the ground. How much work is done by gravity force? (T1=1864 N, θ1=64°, T2=1231 N, θ2=50°.)
How much work is done by T1 force?
How much work is done by T2 force?

Homework Equations


W=Fd
W=FdCos(angle)


The Attempt at a Solution


the first part worked out fine i had gotten
13982.004 J

but when I tired the second I got it wrong cause i did
W=FdCos(angle) and then subtracted it from the answer in the first part
and had gotten
-9618.56 J

and for the third part I just used
the equation
W=Fdcos(angle)
 
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sktgurl930 said:
but when I tired the second I got it wrong cause i did
W=FdCos(angle) and then subtracted it from the answer in the first part
and had gotten
-9618.56 J

Don't subtract the answer from the work done by gravity, just calculate W=FdCos(angle) for the answer.

and for the third part I just used
the equation
W=Fdcos(angle)

Yes, do it that way for both T1 and T2.
 
I try but it doesn't work out
am i missing something?
is it positive or negative ?? i was thinking its negative goes its going down
 
Yes, since the rope tension act against the direction of motion the work would be negative.

You need to use the angle between the rope and the direction of movement. You don't simply use 64 and 50 degrees, just because those are the numbers you see in the figure or problem statement.
 
thank u
it makes sense now
 

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