Calculus or Analysis? Dave K's Thrift Shop Findings

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The discussion centers around the distinction between calculus and analysis, particularly in the context of a thrift shop find of an "Advanced Calculus Problem Solver" book. Participants explore the content of the book, its relevance to calculus courses, and the historical naming conventions of mathematics courses.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Dave K describes the content of the "Advanced Calculus Problem Solver," noting its focus on point set theory and proofs, which raises questions about whether it is considered analysis.
  • Some participants propose that the book is indeed an analysis text, as it aims to prove foundational results used in calculus.
  • There is a suggestion that analysis can be viewed as a more rigorous version of calculus, with some arguing that calculus is a simplified form of analysis.
  • Discussion includes the historical context of course names, with some noting that what was once called "Advanced Calculus" is now often referred to as analysis.
  • Dave K shares concerns about navigating course selections and the advice received regarding the importance of taking analysis for a math degree.
  • Questions arise about the overlaps and differences between vector calculus and real analysis, with participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of course choices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a distinction between calculus and analysis, but multiple competing views exist regarding the definitions and implications of these terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific differences between vector calculus and real analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the content and structure of calculus courses, particularly in relation to the historical evolution of course names and their current interpretations. There are also references to specific course syllabi that may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

Students navigating their mathematics curriculum, particularly those interested in the distinctions between calculus and analysis, as well as those considering course selections in higher-level mathematics.

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I came across a copy of the "Advanced Calculus Problem Solver" for super cheap in a thrift shop. (Along with a couple other gems, like one on Fourier analysis!) It's a series I like to use, and I had the regular "calculus" one (well, I have the libraries copy).

It's from 1981. I thought it'd be useful for Calc III, bu the first chapter is "point set theory," and the first problem is "Show that the set q of rational nmbers x such that 0 < x < 1 is countably infinite." The rest of the chapters include Vector spaces (2) Continuity (3) Elements of partial differentiation (4).

Some of which I'm sort of familiar with - but it's written in a very proofy-symbolic-general kind of way and not what I'm seeing in my calculus book. Is this Analysis? I'm afraid I'm not far along enough to quite understand the difference yet.

-Dave K
 
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It sounds like what you have is an analysis book. Analysis at that level is essentially proving all the results that you use in calculus class (fundamental theorem of calculus, intermediate value theorem, etc)
 
Thanks. I think I'm getting the picture now. Good find for $1.00.
 
Sounds like the type of stuff that would normally be covered in a course with "analysis" in the name. But calculus is really just "analysis dumbed down". (Micromass said something like that to me once, and I think I agree). I guess another way of saying that is that analysis is calculus done right. So the book should definitely be useful, but it may prove a few results that won't be covered by your "Calc III".

(I'm not familiar with the standard courses in the USA, so I don't know what Calc III contains).
 
Calc III is when we start getting into multiple variables and now, towards the end, we are starting to cover double integrals. Syllabus here: http://math.usf.edu/ug/syllabi/mac2313/

I like that you guys are clarifying Calc vs. analysis for me. Thanks. As much as I love my university, it is rather large so it's hard to find guidance on this stuff. My advisor was not even a math major!
 
There is a bit of a historical mismatch in course names. Many "Advanced Calculus" courses of past years would now be called Analysis.

Take a look at Loomis & Sternberg here:
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~shlomo/

The way I look at it, the Advanced Calculus course I did (and the books I have seen) are just the merging point between upper-level vector calculus and rigorous analysis. You might also call it "Applied Analysis", but there are other things that could take that name, as well.
 
That reminds me of another thing I was wondering about. Here's the sequence at my school: http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwge54.jpg (I've spent hours staring at this thing mapping my future).

You'll see that under analysis you can take either Intermediate Analysis or Vector Calculus. Back when I thought I was going in a more physics-y dimension I was pretty sure I was going to take Vector Calc, but now that I'm in a more math direction, and after being advised "you haven't really done a math degree if you don't take analysis" I'm taking that.

What are the overlaps and potential gaps? (Of course I can still take both).

The old flow chart had the "Intro to real analysis" following *either* course, but this latest one has only Intermediate Analysis allowing one to take Real analysis.

Shortened version of the question if this is to blabby: What is the difference between vector calculus and Real Analysis?

-Dave K
 

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