California Governor Jerry Brown Proposes Spending Cuts

[WhoWee]

California Governor Jerry Brown, faced with a $25 billion deficit has proposed over $12.5 billion in cuts, nearly across the board.
http://www.examiner.com/us-headline...-proposes-10-pay-cut-for-state-workers-budget

It looks like state pensions will be spared.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/11/BAOF1H6VJ1.DTL

 

[skippy1729]

California Governor Jerry Brown, faced with a $25 billion deficit has proposed over $12.5 billion in cuts, nearly across the board.

Where is he going to get the other $12.5 B. They are headed for the cliff and I can't imagine who wants their bonds. Maybe the State pension funds would like to buy them?

Skippy

 

[Pengwuino]

It looks like state pensions will be spared.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/11/BAOF1H6VJ1.DTL

And thus, it is all a moot point.

 

[WhoWee]

Where is he going to get the other $12.5 B. They are headed for the cliff and I can't imagine who wants their bonds. Maybe the State pension funds would like to buy them?

Skippy

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20110111/NEWS01/101110310/Brown-proposes-deep-cuts-tax-hikes

"Having the Legislature call a special election in June to give voters an opportunity to continue the current increases in the income, sales and vehicle taxes for another five years.

The taxes are set to expire this year. If approved by voters, the taxes and proposed funding shifts would generate $12 billion in revenue.

Brown said his spending plan for the fiscal year that begins July 1 is intended to end the state's continual deficits and balance the budget for the next several years without borrowing money to do so.

“It's better to take our medicine now and get the state on a balanced footing,” the newly elected Democratic governor said in releasing his plan."

 

[Pengwuino]

And it won't pass. It never passes. This state, for supposedly being so educated, is full of morons.

 

[WhoWee]

And it won't pass. It never passes. This state, for supposedly being so educated, is full of morons.

I have no sympathy for CA. Then I see ideas like this being kicked around.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/11/will-fed-print-money-to-bailout.html

"Will the Fed Print Money to Bailout California?
Speculation is brewing that this just might be the direction the Federal Reserve may be headed in for various cities and states. It's clear that many state and local governments are in major financial trouble."

 

[mugaliens]

Will the Fed Print Money to Bailout California?

Goodness, I really hope the fed doesn't stoop to bailing out a wayward state. Such would be the epitome of insanity.

 

[Vanadium 50]

A federal bailout of California would have to be done on incredibly punishing terms. Otherwise every state would spend as much as they wanted, tax as little as they wanted, and would let their neighbors (through the feds) pay for it. It would also be an enormous transfer of wealth from red states to the bluest of blue states - and from the poor to the wealthy. (California has the 9th highest median household income)

However it was done, it would have to be so bad that the other 49 states would be scared off. However painful living within their means would be, this would have to be worse. How bad? I suspect you would find people looking at Reconstruction as the closest historical parallel.

 

[CAC1001]

Can the state go through bankruptcy in the way a corporation can (like Chapter 11), where it continues operating, but just must go through specific changes to come out leaner?

 

[CAC1001]

And it won't pass. It never passes. This state, for supposedly being so educated, is full of morons.

One of the main culprits is the public-sector unions: http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html

 

[Vanadium 50]

Can the state go through bankruptcy

It's never happened. Which laws apply is not a simple thing, though.

 

[NobodySpecial]

Otherwise every state would spend as much as they wanted, tax as little as they wanted, and would let their neighbors (through the feds) pay for it.

Isn't that just the same as transferring taxation to the federal government instead of state taxes?

 

[WhoWee]

Isn't that just the same as transferring taxation to the federal government instead of state taxes?

An argument centered around unfundated mandates (Medicaid) by the states might gain traction?

 

[nismaratwork]

A federal bailout of California would have to be done on incredibly punishing terms. Otherwise every state would spend as much as they wanted, tax as little as they wanted, and would let their neighbors (through the feds) pay for it. It would also be an enormous transfer of wealth from red states to the bluest of blue states - and from the poor to the wealthy. (California has the 9th highest median household income)

However it was done, it would have to be so bad that the other 49 states would be scared off. However painful living within their means would be, this would have to be worse. How bad? I suspect you would find people looking at Reconstruction as the closest historical parallel.

That's one of the most plausible and frightening things I've heard in a very very long time.

 

[Vanadium 50]

What's plausible? That California will default? Or that the reaction by the rest of the country will be as I described?

 

[nismaratwork]

What's plausible? That California will default? Or that the reaction by the rest of the country will be as I described?

The latter.

 

[WhoWee]

I haven't had a chance to wade through all of this yet - just thought I'd share.

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/StateAgencyBudgets/4000/4270/department.html

 

[PhilKravitz]

It seems the worst case is California can not sell bonds and it must cut spending to match income. When that happens I want to move to California. They will have a realistic budget. Of course they will need to pro-rate pension payment to say 50% on the dollar. They might also want to consider capping pension payments to no more than $80,000 per year.

 

[nismaratwork]

It seems the worst case is California can not sell bonds and it must cut spending to match income. When that happens I want to move to California. They will have a realistic budget. Of course they will need to pro-rate pension payment to say 50% on the dollar. They might also want to consider capping pension payments to no more than $80,000 per year.

They should, but it seems they have some kind of economic suicide pact with themselves. Maybe they took that Tool song to literally and tried to hasten the process. The whole endeavor of California is kind of ridiculous at this point actually, but nature has such direct answers to our problems. Shake shake shake... shake shake shake... shake your faultline, dooba doop dooba dooby!

 

[WhoWee]

They should, but it seems they have some kind of economic suicide pact with themselves. Maybe they took that Tool song to literally and tried to hasten the process. The whole endeavor of California is kind of ridiculous at this point actually, but nature has such direct answers to our problems. Shake shake shake... shake shake shake... shake your faultline, dooba doop dooba dooby!

Perhaps they should offer Mexico 10% of their total prisons budget (a 90% savings would be very helpful) to take all of their prisoners - then take 10% of the savings and (add some beds and curtains) redevelop the prison properties into Medicaid-only hospitals - staffed with med students and interns?

 

[nismaratwork]

Perhaps they should offer Mexico 10% of their total prisons budget (a 90% savings would be very helpful) to take all of their prisoners - then take 10% of the savings and (add some beds and curtains) redevelop the prison properties into Medicaid-only hospitals - staffed with med students and interns?

...

That...
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I don't honestly know, but especially the notion of a teaching environment and the rest... It wouldn't pass, but would it work? I kind of like the notion... I really like it actually. You'd need a FEW attendings, but not many. Bam, Michael Moore can have his "utopia". *gag*

 

[PhilKravitz]

Perhaps they should offer Mexico 10% of their total prisons budget (a 90% savings would be very helpful) to take all of their prisoners - then take 10% of the savings and (add some beds and curtains) redevelop the prison properties into Medicaid-only hospitals - staffed with med students and interns?

I think you are onto something here. They could outsource to Mexico prisons and all people on welfare and pensions. They could cut much of their spending 90%. If they can get past the unions they can bring in H1B visa folks to teach and do all state work at a 50% savings. I think we have it solved.

 

[nismaratwork]

I think you are onto something here. They could outsource to Mexico prisons and all people on welfare and pensions. They could cut much of their spending 90%. If they can get past the unions they can bring in H1B visa folks to teach and do all state work at a 50% savings. I think we have it solved.

Given the state of that state, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be a positive change all around...

 

[mheslep]

This is a revealing, on the ground, tale from historian, author, and multi-generational California resident Victor David Hanson:

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[QUOTE]The last three weeks I have traveled about, taking the pulse of the more forgotten areas of central California. I wanted to witness, even if superficially, what is happening to a state that has the highest sales and income taxes, the most lavish entitlements, the near-worst public schools (based on federal test scores), and the largest number of illegal aliens in the nation, along with an overregulated private sector, a stagnant and shrinking manufacturing base, and an elite environmental ethos that restricts commerce and productivity without curbing consumption.
[...]
In two supermarkets 50 miles apart, I was the only one in line who did not pay with a social-service plastic card (gone are the days when “food stamps” were embarrassing bulky coupons). But I did not see any relationship between the use of the card and poverty as we once knew it: The electrical appurtenances owned by the user and the car into which the groceries were loaded were indistinguishable from those of the upper middle class.

By that I mean that most consumers drove late-model Camrys, Accords, or Tauruses, had iPhones, Bluetooths, or BlackBerries, and bought everything in the store with public-assistance credit
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[nismaratwork]

This is a revealing, on the ground, tale from historian, author, and multi-generational California resident Victor David Hanson:

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And water...

Ever read the book: 'Cadillac Desert?'... good read.

 

[mheslep]

And it won't pass. It never passes. ...

Probably not. The Governator veto'd what he could from the legislature. Did anyone see this particular veto message telling the legislature what he thought of them? Check the first letter of each line in the 2nd and 3rd stanzas.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/10/arnolds-kiss-off.jpg

 

[mheslep]

A federal bailout of California would have to be done on incredibly punishing terms. Otherwise every state would spend as much as they wanted, tax as little as they wanted, and would let their neighbors (through the feds) pay for it. It would also be an enormous transfer of wealth from red states to the bluest of blue states - and from the poor to the wealthy. (California has the 9th highest median household income)

However it was done, it would have to be so bad that the other 49 states would be scared off. However painful living within their means would be, this would have to be worse. How bad? I suspect you would find people looking at Reconstruction as the closest historical parallel.

There is no political possibility what so ever, or none that I can imagine, that will allow a federal bailout of California with this Congress.

It's never happened. Which laws apply is not a simple thing, though.

Sure it has, at least the default on their debts happened. No federal bailout was required or forthcoming either, though some form of default happened to most of the early 19th century states. It seems canal building frenzies took many of them down back in the day. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704835504576060193029215716.html" Yet they are all still there, did not drift off into the Atlantic.

 

[Pengwuino]

California has about 5 years left I think. California, the home of the UC system, Stanford, Berkeley, and Silicon Valley, is full of morons. No one can even propose taxing the rich anymore because we do and even that hasn't really worked. I thought the most hilarious example of how the voters of california act was when we had a $50 million election to introduce 5 or 6 propositions that involved cost cutting or higher taxation measure. 0 passed. Effectively burning $50 million.

I'm a resident of california and have been all my life and even I can't wait for this state to burn. Honestly, Californians think we are better than all of you people. No joke.

What really annoys me is how the people in LA and the Bay Area pretty much enjoy their lifestyles on the back of poor people in the central valley. We can't grow food and farmers go bankrupt because we have severe water shortages since our water is sent to LA instead. Also, thank you San Francisco/Oakland for letting the jet stream push all your pollution into the central valley so you can enjoy such clean air.

 

[mheslep]

Honestly, Californians think we are better than all of you people. No joke.

Others have noticed. Meet Alain.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104282/smuggy-san-francisco-town

 

[WhoWee]

Honestly, Californians think we are better than all of you people. No joke.

California reminds me of the UAW.

For years, we have our noses rubbed into the rhetoric of how superior CA is as a state and union workers are to other workers. Also, the CA economy is bigger than most countries and UAW workers make more when laid off than the average non-union worker, etc.

However, the truth is CA couldn't pay for it's eccentricities and the UAW bankrupt GM. Now both need the rest of us to save them- they feel entitled to the help - they're not thankful - and they're not willing to change.

GM should have gone through a Chapter 11 and have the UAW contracts thrown away. CA should be allowed to fail - then re-organized under very strict reform - including a serious judicial review of the environmental initiatives. People aren't allowed to commit suicide - states shouldn't be allowed to either.