Can 12 People Share 3 Tables in 5 Days for Dinner?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of arranging seating for 12 people at 3 tables over 5 days, ensuring that each person shares a table with every other person at least once. The scope includes combinatorial reasoning and potential solutions for seating arrangements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests pairing individuals and rotating pairs to achieve the seating arrangement, noting that each pair can sit with five other pairs over the days.
  • Another participant proposes a similar method, viewing pairs as single entities and rotating them around a fixed position to facilitate the seating arrangement.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the number of possible pairings, questioning how to divide the 15 unordered pairs into 5 sets of 3 disjoint pairs.
  • The participant exploring the number of solutions provides a combinatorial calculation, expressing uncertainty about the total number of valid arrangements and the restrictions involved in choosing pairs.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, with no consensus on the best method or the total number of solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal arrangement and the validity of the proposed solutions.

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Participants express uncertainty about the combinatorial aspects of the problem, particularly in how to effectively choose disjoint pairs across multiple rounds. The complexity of the arrangements and the restrictions on pair selections are acknowledged but not fully resolved.

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Hello All;
Please help solve the following question:
12 people use a dining room with 3 tables. Each table can sit 4 person. How to arrnage the seatings in 5 days so that each person can share the table at dinner with each other person?

thanks a lot,,, :rolleyes:
 
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A general approach doesn't spring to mind but notice that if you arrange the people into pairs, each pair has five other pairs to sit with (i.e. one pair each day). Say you pair them (1, 2), (3, 4), (5, 6), ... (11, 12).
\begin{array}{|c|c|c|}\hline \mbox{Day}&(1, 2)\ \mbox{sits with}&(3, 4)\ \mbox{sits with} \\ \hline 1&(3, 4)&(1, 2) \\ \hline 2&(5, 6)&(9, 10) \\ \hline 3&(7, 8)&(11, 12) \\ \hline 4&(9, 10)&(7, 8) \\ \hline 5&(11, 12)&(5, 6) \\ \hline \end{array}
You can just complete the table by hand. You may be after a better way to do this, but it does work ;)
 
That's quite a good way. ANother way to explain it is, after rewriting it as a problem with 6 people to meet on five days (thinking of a pair as a person) sit them down as pairs

1 2

3 4

5 6

then keeping 1 fixed rotate the other five pairs anticlockwise (or clockwise) once each of the 5 days.

This looks very much like a problem adapted from Bridge seeing as it can be done with pairs.
 
So I can't help but wonder how many solutions there are (for pairings). 6C2 = 15 unordered pairs. But how do you split those up into 5 sets of 3, all disjoint?

At the start of each round of choosing 3 pairs, each individual (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) is in n of the p pairs. For the first round n = 5 and p = 15, and each round you subtract 1 from n and 3 from p. Figuring out how each round of choosing works is trickier; I see what's at work, but it's not clear how it's working. Every time you choose a pair, all pairs containing those individuals cannot be chosen that round, thus for every other individual, 2 pairs containing it are excluded. However, the choices are further restricted in a way I can't really explain. For instance, say {1, 4} is the first choice in round 3, leaving {2, 3}, {2, 6}, {3, 5}, {3, 6} -but I can only choose {2, 6} or {3, 5}.
Anyway, working it through, I get:
Round 1: 15C1 * 6C1 * 1C1 = 90
2: 12 * 4 * 1 = 48
3: 9 * 2 * 1 = 18
4: 6 * 2 * 1 = 12
5: 1
And I think I just sum the rounds: 169 solutions.? That seems like too many.
 
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thanks a lot, gentlemen!
 

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