Can a Finite Set of Vectors Form a Subspace?

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The discussion revolves around whether a given set of vectors, represented as columns of a matrix, can form a subspace of ℝ³. Participants are examining the properties required for a set to be classified as a subspace, including closure under addition and scalar multiplication, as well as the inclusion of the zero vector.

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  • Some participants attempt to verify if the set contains the zero vector and whether it is closed under addition and multiplication. Others question the interpretation of the matrix as a set of vectors and the implications of finite versus infinite sets in the context of subspaces.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of subspaces, with participants providing insights into the requirements for closure and the nature of the set in question. Some guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between a matrix and a set of vectors, and the implications of these definitions on the original question.

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Participants note that a finite set of vectors typically does not satisfy the criteria for being a subspace, as subspaces require closure properties that finite sets may not fulfill. There is also mention of confusion regarding the original problem statement and the representation of vectors.

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Homework Statement


\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

Is this set a subspace of ℝ3

Homework Equations



The set must be closed under addition.
The set must be closed under multiplication.
The set must contain the zero vector.

The Attempt at a Solution



1. It obviously contains the zero vector (column 3)

2. \begin{pmatrix}
2\\
0\\
0\\
\end{pmatrix}

is a multiple of column 1.
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 2\\
0 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

In order to check if this set contains the multiple of column 1, I set the 2 * column 1 equal to the matrix.

It row reduces to
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 2\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

Wouldn't this be closed under multiplication? Since this contains a solution?

3. Closed under addition
Column 2 + column 3 becomes
\begin{pmatrix}
1\\
2\\
1\\
\end{pmatrix}It row reduces to
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 1\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

And wouldn't this be closed under addition? Since this contains a solution?

Edit: I have attached the problem and solution to the thread. I'm not sure how my teacher came across this solution.
 

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MienTommy said:

Homework Statement


\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

Is this set a subspace of ℝ3
This is not a set -- it's a matrix.

What is the actual question?
MienTommy said:

Homework Equations



The set must be closed under addition.
In other words, if you add any two members of the set, do you get another vector that is also in the set?
MienTommy said:
The set must be closed under multiplication.
If you multiply any of the members of the set by a scalar, do you get another vector that is also a member of the set?
MienTommy said:
The set must contain the zero vector.

The Attempt at a Solution



1. It obviously contains the zero vector (column 3)

2. \begin{pmatrix}
2\\
0\\
0\\
\end{pmatrix}
What you have below is mostly gibberish. You should focus more on the meanings of the definitions, and less on working with matrices that don't mean anything.
MienTommy said:
is a multiple of column 1.
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 2\\
0 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

In order to check if this set contains the multiple of column 1, I set the 2 * column 1 equal to the matrix.

It row reduces to
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 2\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}

Wouldn't this be closed under multiplication? Since this contains a solution?

3. Closed under addition
Column 2 + column 3 becomes
\begin{pmatrix}
1\\
2\\
1\\
\end{pmatrix}It row reduces to
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 1\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

And wouldn't this be closed under addition? Since this contains a solution?
 
Mark44 said:
This is not a set -- it's a matrix.

What is the actual question?

I've attached the problem as an image to the OP. I'm not sure how my teacher came across the solution for this problem. It doesn't make sense to me because the span of that set is a subspace correct?
 
MienTommy said:
I've attached the problem as an image to the OP. I'm not sure how my teacher came across the solution for this problem. It doesn't make sense to me because the span of that set is a subspace correct?
I responded to what you posted before you edited your post.
The question you asked is very different from what is in the image.

In the image there are two parts. The first part asks whether the given three vectors form a basis for R3. The second part asks whether the given vectors are a subspace. In general, a finite set of vectors won't be a subspace of a vector space, because the axioms of closure under addition and closure under scalar multiplication won't be satisfied.
 
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As Mark44 said, you ask if a set is a subspace but do not give a set of vectors, you give a matrix. Do you mean to treat the columns of the matrix as vectors? The first thing you should realize is that a subspace necessarily contains an infinite number of vectors and this matrix only has a finite number of vectors. Looking at your attachment, there is no matrix but a list of vectors so you simply wrote that incorrectly. But it still is only a finite set and so cannot be a subspace.
 

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