Can a Matrix-Valued Function h Exist with Given Properties in GL^+(n,R)?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a continuous matrix-valued function h=f(g) defined on C^1[a,b] with specific properties related to determinants of matrices in GL^+(n,R). Participants explore the conditions under which the determinant remains positive and the implications for path-connectedness within the group GL^+(2,R).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes constructing a continuous matrix-valued function h such that the determinant of the matrix A formed by f(t) and g(t) remains positive for all t in (a,b).
  • Another participant introduces a specific function h that maps pairs of functions to a matrix in GL_1^+ and notes that while the determinant is always positive, the function is not continuous.
  • A different participant aims to demonstrate that any matrix A with DetA>0 can be continuously deformed into another matrix B with DetB>0 within GL^+(2,R), suggesting the use of elementary row operations to establish path-connectedness.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of the matrix A in the context of the proposed function h.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the existence and properties of the function h, with some proposing specific constructions while others question the continuity and relevance of certain aspects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these constructions and the overall path-connectedness of GL^+(2,R).

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Participants highlight the need for continuous functions that preserve the sign of the determinant during transformations, indicating potential limitations in the proposed methods. There is also mention of the dependence on the properties of the functions f and g.

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Hi all, I am trying to construct a continuous matrix-valued function h=h(f,g) ; f,g in C^1[a,b],all defined in an open interval (a,b) on the Real line with some given properties, or at least I want to show that the function exists . I have/know that for a,b in [a,b], both Det(h(a))>0 and Det(h(b))>0 . Then I want, for all t in (a,b), that the determinant of :

A=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> f(t) &amp; g(t) \\<br /> f &#039;(t)&amp; g&#039;(t) \\<br /> <br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

will be positive . I am trying to use that GL(n,R) has two connected components; GL^+ and
Gl^- ;matrices with positive and negative determinant respectively (e.g., use the fact that
Gaussian elimination can take any A in GL^+ into the Id. ).

Then I think can argue that since f,g ;f',g' are continuous by assumption, the map h(f,g) is
itself also continuous , so that h[a,b] -- remember here that [a,b] is an interval in the real line--is connected, and so h[a,b] must then lie in GL^+(n,R), for all t in [a,b], i.e., Det(h[a,b])>0.
Is this right?
 
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WWGD said:
Hi all, I am trying to construct a continuous matrix-valued function h=h(f,g) ; f,g in C^1[a,b],all defined in an open interval (a,b) on the Real line with some given properties, or at least I want to show that the function exists . I have/know that for a,b in [a,b], both Det(h(a))>0 and Det(h(b))>0 . Then I want, for all t in (a,b), that the determinant of :

A=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> f(t) &amp; g(t) \\<br /> f &#039;(t)&amp; g&#039;(t) \\<br /> <br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

will be positive . I am trying to use that GL(n,R) has two connected components; GL^+ and
Gl^- ;matrices with positive and negative determinant respectively (e.g., use the fact that
Gaussian elimination can take any A in GL^+ into the Id. ).

Then I think can argue that since f,g ;f',g' are continuous by assumption, the map h(f,g) is
itself also continuous , so that h[a,b] -- remember here that [a,b] is an interval in the real line--is connected, and so h[a,b] must then lie in GL^+(n,R), for all t in [a,b], i.e., Det(h[a,b])>0.
Is this right?
Consider the function h:C^1([a,b])\times C^1([a,b])\to GL_1^+(\mathbb{R})\cong\mathbb{R}_+,~(f,g)\mapsto\left\{\begin{matrix}2 &amp; \text{if } f(0)+g(0)\in\mathbb{Q} \\ 1 &amp; \text{if } f(0)+g(0)\not\in\mathbb{Q}\end{matrix}\right.~.

The determinant of the 1\times 1 matrix h(f,g) is always greater than 0, and the function is nowhere continuous.

Why is A important in this? It seems unrelated.
 
Thanks, what I am actually trying to do is to start with any matrix A with DetA>0 and show it can be continuously-deformed into any other matrix B with DetB>0 , and the deformation is done within GL^+(2,R), i.e., I am trying to show GL^+(2,R) , as a Lie group (with the subspace topology of R^4)is path-connected. I think using elementary row operations--seen as continuous maps-- the right way , transforming A into the Id is /gives us the path between A and the Id, showing path-connectedness . Still, we need to find row operations that preserve the sign of Det.
I am trying to construct a collection of continuous functions parametrized by an interval , taking A to Id, i.e., a path between A and Id., to show GL^+(2,R) is path-connected (obviously this holds for GL(n,R) for all natural n) .Sorry for being unclear; I am typing with an OSK.
 
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WWGD said:
Thanks, what I am actually trying to do is to start with any matrix A with DetA>0 and show it can be continuously-deformed into any other matrix B with DetB>0 , and the deformation is done within GL^+(2,R), i.e., I am trying to show GL^+(2,R) , as a Lie group (with the subspace topology of R^4)is path-connected. I think using elementary row operations--seen as continuous maps-- the right way , transforming A into the Id is /gives us the path between A and the Id, showing path-connectedness . Still, we need to find row operations that preserve the sign of Det.
I am trying to construct a collection of continuous functions parametrized by an interval , taking A to Id, i.e., a path between A and Id., to show GL^+(2,R) is path-connected (obviously this holds for GL(n,R) for all natural n).
When in doubt, check Stack Exchange.
 
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Thanks, Dragon; and they also proved path-connectedness, good ref.
 

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