Can an electron be found outside the atom it belongs to?

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The discussion centers on the probability of an electron being found outside the atom it belongs to, exploring concepts of atomic boundaries, definitions of "inside" and "outside," and the implications of quantum mechanics on electron behavior.

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  • Some participants question whether the probability of an electron being found outside its atom is zero or nonzero.
  • There is a discussion on the definitions of "outside" and "inside," with one participant noting that the choice of radius for these definitions is arbitrary.
  • It is suggested that the probability of finding an electron in a finite volume is nonzero everywhere, although there are regions where the probability density is zero.
  • One participant proposes that the lack of a clear definition of "inside" and "outside" implies that atoms may not be bound by a strict shape, allowing for the sharing of electrons between atoms.
  • Another participant explains that quantum mechanics allows for a nonzero probability of an electron being found arbitrarily far from the nucleus, discussing various concepts of atomic radius and the nature of covalent bonding.
  • The tunneling effect is mentioned, indicating that there is a probability for stationary state electrons to appear throughout space, even in bound states, with probabilities declining in regions of higher Coulomb potential.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions of atomic boundaries and the implications of quantum mechanics on electron positioning, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in defining atomic boundaries and the arbitrary nature of radius selection, as well as the complexities involved in assigning electrons to specific atoms in multi-atom systems.

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What is the probability of an electron being found outside the atom it belongs to? Is it zero or nonzero?
 
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How are you defining "outside" and "inside"? That is, how far away must the detection be before it counts as outside instead of inside?

How are you defining "belongs to"? That is, how do you decide which atom any given electron belongs to if there are multiple atoms involved?
 
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There isn’t really a good definition of “inside” and “outside” an atom in this context. It is possible to calculate the probability that the electron is within a certain radius from the nucleus, but the choice of radius is varying degrees of arbitrary.

In general, the probability of finding an electron subjected to a nuclear potential in a finite volume is nonzero everywhere. There are, however, certain (non-3D) regions where the probability density of the electron wavefunction is zero.

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There isn’t really a good definition of “inside” and “outside” an atom

Does that imply that an atom is not bound by a "shape" or "closed" surface and is in a way "open" for sharing its contents with other atoms?
 
Kind of. According to quantum mechanics, the electron has a nonzero (but very very small) probability of being arbitrarily far away from the nucleus.

The “atomic radius” that is referred to in chemistry, and is generally regarded as the “size” of an atom, can refer to several different concepts. Covalent radius is just half the average covalent bond for an atom. So for example, to get hydrogen’s covalent radius, you would look at several different representative covalent compounds of hydrogen, measure their bond lengths, and average them. Similar procedures apply for measuring ionic radius, as well as other flavors of atomic radius.

As for atoms sharing electrons with one another, this is what chemists mean when they talk about covalent bonding. In these systems, each electron interacts with multiple nuclei, so it’s impossible to assign a given electron unambiguously to a single nucleus (indeed, the electrons themselves are indistinguishable, by the Pauli principle). This happens in all polyatomic systems regardless of the nature of the nuclei (that is, even ionic compounds like NaCl will show some small degree of covalency), but we usually only assign the moniker “covalent bond” to situations where this electron sharing effect is particularly strong.

(NB—there are ways to make this language more precise, but I’m not sure if it goes beyond an I level thread, and I’m trying to gear it toward what I ascertain to be your level of expertise.)
 
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Thank you.
 
According to tunneling effect, there is a certain probability of stationary state electron appear in whole space, even they are in bound state. When the eletron reach the space where Coulomb potential is greater than its stationary state energy, the probability decline exponentially.
 

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