Can anyone tell a good quotation about GR?

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The discussion revolves around the search for meaningful quotations related to General Relativity (GR), exploring philosophical implications, humor, and the nature of relativity. Participants share various quotes, opinions on their significance, and engage in a broader conversation about the relationship between science and philosophy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose the quote "Spacetime tells matter how to move. Matter tells spacetime how to curve." (John Wheeler) as a significant reflection of GR, though others find it trivial.
  • One participant suggests a movie related to GR as an alternative to quotes, indicating a preference for narrative over succinct statements.
  • Humorous quotes about relativity, such as the one comparing time perception during courtship and sitting on a hot cinder, are discussed, with some arguing they do not pertain specifically to GR.
  • There is a discussion about the imaginative aspects of scientists compared to philosophers, with references to the surprise of philosophers regarding relativity and quantum mechanics.
  • A participant elaborates on the philosophical implications of relativity, discussing concepts of measurement and reality in the context of GR and Mach's principle.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for quotes that capture the philosophical essence of GR rather than mere definitions.
  • Einstein's quote about the inseparability of time, space, and matter is introduced as a potential contribution to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance and appropriateness of various quotes related to GR. Some find certain quotes trivial or not fitting the philosophical nature of the inquiry, while others defend their relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best quotations to represent GR.

Contextual Notes

Participants have varying interpretations of what constitutes a meaningful quote about GR, leading to discussions that blend humor, philosophy, and technical definitions. There is no consensus on the nature of the quotes sought or their relevance to GR specifically.

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Which is not homourous but philosophical.
 
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This is probably not an exact quote. I wasn't able to find the original source.

"Spacetime tells matter how to move. Matter tells spacetime how to curve." (John Wheeler).

Is that the sort of thing you had in mind?
 
"Spacetime tells matter how to move. Matter tells spacetime how to curve." (John Wheeler).

This is too trivial and evident.

Something else?
 
When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.
 
The scientists often have more unfettered imaginations than current philosophers do. Relativity theory came as a complete surprise to philosophers, and so did quantum mechanics, and so did other things.
 
mersecske said:
"Spacetime tells matter how to move. Matter tells spacetime how to curve." (John Wheeler).

This is too trivial and evident.
Seriously? It summarizes the content of the theory in two short sentences, and is probably the most famous quote in physics. Why do you want quotes anyway? What sort of people are you going to show them to?
 
sachinism said:
The scientists often have more unfettered imaginations than current philosophers do. Relativity theory came as a complete surprise to philosophers, and so did quantum mechanics, and so did other things.

Ah yes, didn't Shakespeare say "There are more things in time and space, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

Hmmm.. maybe that is not quite right. :-p
 
yuiop said:
Ah yes, didn't Shakespeare say "There are more things in time and space, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

Hmmm.. maybe that is not quite right. :-p

I think the quote should have been "There are more things in set theory, Horatio, than are dreamt in your philosophy."
 
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"Everything is relative" is a popular saying that usually applies to SR but could be applied to GR. In SR the saying has limitations, because some things like the speed of light are actually absolute. However, we can elaborate a little and maybe say something like, when two observers disagree on the measurement of some quantity, then there is no way to determine who's measurement is more "real". In SR, rotation measured using a Sagnac device appears to be absolute. In GR, rotation initially appears to be absolute. A planet rotating in empty space appears to bulge at its equator and this bulge is attributed to "absolute" rotation of the planet. However, imagine you had a satellite in geosynchronous orbit about the planet. From the satellite, the planet appears to be stationary. You could say that from the satellite's point of view, space-time is rotating about the planet and the "rotating space-time" is causing the planet to bulge and also preventing the satellite falling straight towards the planet. This is not the usual way of depicting things, but it not possible to prove that this is not what is happening. Closer to home, we can not prove the Earth is not the centre of the universe and that everything does not revolve around the Earth, but we can show that we can pick any planet or star and the same would be true. If your reason for looking for quotes is to form the introduction to a philosophical discussion of GR maybe this a place to start along with the place of Mach's principle in the philosophy of GR. Certainly an analysis of what is "real" and what is not, in GR will take you into some deep philosophical discussions about GR.
 
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sachinism said:
When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

This is about relativity and not GR.
And this is homourous and not philosophical.
 
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Fredrik said:
Seriously? It summarizes the content of the theory in two short sentences, and is probably the most famous quote in physics. Why do you want quotes anyway? What sort of people are you going to show them to?

But this is a kind of mathematical definition, not a quote. No human factor. Its just a simple definition.
 
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mersecske said:
This is about relativity and not GR.
And this is homourous and not philosophical.

... you do know what the 'R' stands for right?
 
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When asked to sum up his theory of relativity in one sentence, Einstein said: "Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter...Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended."
 
  • #15
When I said quotation "about" GR, this means not necessary a definition (what is GR) what I need.
 

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