Can Cryonics and Bose-Einstein Condensates Work Together?

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical interaction between cryonics and Bose-Einstein condensates (BECs). Participants explore the feasibility of transitioning a cryogenically frozen human into a BEC and then back to a living state, while also addressing the implications for quantum teleportation at low temperatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a human could be converted to a BEC after being cryogenically frozen and then reanimated, posing a hypothetical chain of events.
  • Another participant points out that BECs can only be formed from identical bosons, questioning the feasibility of creating a BEC from a mixture of different molecules found in a human body.
  • Some participants clarify that BEC is a phenomenon specific to weakly-interacting, spin-zero bosons, emphasizing the statistical mechanics involved.
  • A participant raises concerns about the implications of BECs on quantum teleportation, asking whether cooling a cryogenically frozen human to near absolute zero would affect entanglement.
  • Another participant critiques the understanding of BECs, suggesting that a proper grasp of the concept is necessary before speculating on its applications to quantum teleportation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of creating a BEC from a cryogenically frozen human, with some emphasizing the limitations of BEC formation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for quantum teleportation and the conditions necessary for maintaining entanglement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for a clear understanding of the principles behind BECs and their specific requirements, indicating that assumptions about their application to complex systems like humans may be overly simplistic.

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I have a question regarding Bose-Einstein condensates. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that we were able to overcome all the technical issues involved in cryogenic freezing and were able to freeze and reanimate people with ease. If we cryogenically froze a human being, then converted the frozen being to a BEC, would we be able to later undo the conversion to a BEC and then reanimate the cryogenically frozen human?

In other words, is the following chain of events possible?

Living human -> Cryogenically frozen human -> Bose-Einstein condensate -> Cryogenically frozen human -> Living human

Is that possible, or does becoming a BEC do something irreversible to the atoms that make up the cryogenically frozen human?
 
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Abstracting of human being a subject to the process, how do you want to make a condensate of mixture of different molecules?
You may create BEC only of identical bosons.
 
xts said:
Abstracting of human being a subject to the process, how do you want to make a condensate of mixture of different molecules?
You may create BEC only of identical bosons.

I thought that a BEC is simply the result of cooling something down to just a tiny fraction of a degree above 0K.
 
hammertime said:
I thought that a BEC is simply the result of cooling something down to just a tiny fraction of a degree above 0K.

No certainly not ... Bose-Einstein condensation is a phenomenon unique to systems of weakly-interacting, spin-zero bosons. The root concept is Bose-Einstein statistics, which say that an arbitrary number of identical bosons can occupy the same quantum state. This is distinct from the case of identical fermions, which obey Fermi-Dirac statistics, and CANNOT occupy the same quantum state according to the Pauli Exclusion Principle.
 
SpectraCat said:
No certainly not ... Bose-Einstein condensation is a phenomenon unique to systems of weakly-interacting, spin-zero bosons. The root concept is Bose-Einstein statistics, which say that an arbitrary number of identical bosons can occupy the same quantum state. This is distinct from the case of identical fermions, which obey Fermi-Dirac statistics, and CANNOT occupy the same quantum state according to the Pauli Exclusion Principle.

So would this prevent quantum teleportation of a human being? I thought that, in order to quantum teleport a macroscopic object, you'd have to cool it down to almost absolute zero. So what would happen to a cryogenically frozen human body if we got it down to, say, 1 millikelvin? Actually, would that temperature be too high to maintain entanglement?
 
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hammertime said:
So would this prevent quantum teleportation of a human being? I thought that, in order to quantum teleport a macroscopic object, you'd have to cool it down to almost absolute zero. So what would happen to a cryogenically frozen human body if we got it down to, say, 1 millikelvin? Actually, would that temperature be too high to maintain entanglement?

You should never jump to something else before understanding the basics. Here, you clearly have not understood what a BEC is, but you're already speculating on top of that about quantum teleportation.

Figure out and straighten out your faulty understanding of BEC, and why not everything cooled down to such low temperatures will exhibit such condensation. Don't be so eager to apply something you don't understand yet to do something else.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=514189

Zz.
 

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