Can Dehn Twists Be Applied to Non-Orientable Manifolds Like the Moebius Strip?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Dehn twists to non-orientable manifolds, specifically the Moebius strip. Participants explore the possibility of generalizing Dehn twists or finding analogous concepts applicable to non-orientable and non-compact manifolds, while considering the implications for topology and embedding in three-dimensional space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the physical perspective of Dehn twists applied to tori and questions the generalization to non-orientable manifolds like the Moebius strip.
  • Another participant suggests that the inability to define tubular neighborhoods at every point on a non-orientable manifold complicates the application of Dehn twists, proposing that a different construction might be necessary.
  • A later reply emphasizes the intention to find a variant of Dehn twists that works for non-orientable surfaces, acknowledging the limitations of tubular neighborhoods.
  • One participant proposes embedding the Moebius strip in a solid torus and questions whether Dehn twists in the torus correspond to additional rotations of the Moebius strip, suggesting that twists may not yield new information about the Moebius band.
  • Another participant points out that even a torus cannot intrinsically detect Dehn twists, as transformations that leave the lattice invariant also leave the quotient invariant, implying that tori differing by Dehn twists are essentially identical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Dehn twists to non-orientable manifolds, with some proposing potential variants while others highlight inherent limitations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a generalized concept for non-orientable surfaces.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the dependence on definitions of orientability and the challenges posed by the topology of non-orientable surfaces. The discussion also touches on the implications of embedding in three-dimensional space, which may affect the classification of twists.

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I am familiar with the so-called Dehn twists applied to tori (from a "physical" perspective like in string theory).

My question: is it possible to generalize the Dehn twist or a similar concept to non-compact and/or non-orientable manifolds?

What I have in mind is the Moebius strip: it is constructed like a "twisted" torus: cut a cylindrical strip, twist it by π, 2π, 3π, ... and glue it together again; for π, 3π, ... this does not preserve the topology of the strip; for 2π, ... it does, at least locally (what is not preserved is the topology of the embedding on 3-space).

Second question: is there a classification based on the generalized Dehn twist which allows one to distinguish between the π, 3π, ... cases which are identical locally?
 
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I think that the issue is that in a non-orientable manifold you cannot define tubular neighborhoods ( the ones you use to define a Dehn twist) at every point. Instead of tubular neighborhoods, you will have a sort of mobius-strip-like object. See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-sided

I think orientability of a manifold is equivalent to every curve defined on the manifold being two-sided, as in the Wiki definition. Maybe there is some other type of construction beyond this, but not that I know of.

EDIT: I think I may have misunderstood --or misunderestimated--your question.I think you know one can't define a tubular 'hood at every point of a non-orientable surface,and you want to know if there is a variant of it that would allow you to define a version of a Dehn twists for a non-orientable surface. Sorry if I misunderstood.
 
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EDIT: I think I may have misunderstood --or misunderestimated--your question.I think you know one can't define a tubular 'hood at every point of a non-orientable surface ...
Yes, I know that.

It was my intention to find a variant which works for non-orientable manifolds.
 
It seems like you want to embed the Mobius strip inside a solid torus, such that Dehn twists of the torus correspond to extra ##2\pi## rotations of the Mobius strip. On the surface of the solid torus, Dehn twists are diffeomorphisms. Does this fact extend to the solid interior? Intuitively, I would think so. If that is the case, then this will give you no new information about the Mobius band; the bands with ##\pi, 3\pi, 5\pi \ldots## twists are all diffeomorphic (and hence homeomorphic).

What you can do instead is think of the Mobius strip as defined by its edge(s). Basically, as a ##\mathbb{Z}_2## bundle over a circle. Then you can classify the various twists with knot theory. But this does depend on the embedding in 3 dimensions.
 
Incidentally, even a torus cannot "see", intrinsically, that it is Dehn twisted. That's kind of the point. If you quotient the plane by a lattice, any transformation that leaves the lattice invariant will necessarily leave the quotient invariant. So tori that differ by a Dehn twist are actually identical.
 

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