Can double slit interference be explained by the influence of previous photons?

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The discussion revolves around the double slit experiment and the possibility of explaining its interference pattern through the influence of previous photons. Participants explore the implications of photons leaving a "wake" and how this might affect subsequent photons, while also considering the conditions under which interference is observed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the interference pattern in the double slit experiment could be due to each photon leaving a "wake" that influences the paths of subsequent photons.
  • Others question how such a "wake" would be defined in terms of spacetime and reference frames, suggesting that it may be arbitrary.
  • A participant raises the issue of how interference appears or disappears based on the availability of which-path information, arguing that this seems unrelated to the proposed wake concept.
  • There is a mention of the potential for observing interference patterns even with long intervals between photon emissions, implying that time between photons does not affect the outcome.
  • One participant references a related paper that challenges the hypothesis of quantum self-interference and discusses the implications of treating quanta as real particles.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the "wake" hypothesis, with no consensus reached on whether this concept can adequately explain the observed phenomena in the double slit experiment.

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Some participants highlight the complexity of introducing new hypotheses, noting that they may create additional problems in reconciling with existing theories. The discussion also touches on the limitations of current interpretations and the conditions under which interference is observed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring quantum mechanics, particularly the interpretations of the double slit experiment and the nature of photon behavior in interference phenomena.

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The usual interpretation of the double slit experiment, when done with a single photon at a time, is that the photon must interfere with itself. However interference cannot be measured in a single-photon experiment - it requires a large number of photons to manifest a discernible interference pattern.

Suppose that each photon leaves a kind of "wake" in its path which persists over time, and it is the cumulative effect of these "wakes" which results in the observed interference pattern.

Might it be that the path of a given photon is influenced by the paths of the photons which have gone before it?
 
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patfada said:
However interference cannot be measured in a single-photon experiment - it requires a large number of photons to manifest a discernible interference pattern.
You can disassemble the whole setup, displace and rebuild it for every single photon, and you would still see an interference pattern after a while. I would be surprised to see this as actual experiment, but it would be possible.

Suppose that each photon leaves a kind of "wake" in its path which persists over time, and it is the cumulative effect of these "wakes" which results in the observed interference pattern.
How do you tell the wake where in spacetime it should be? In which reference frame should it remain stationary? In the lab, moving around the earth, with the Earth moving around the sun and so on all the time? That looks quite arbitrary.

If the first photon would not behave as expected, you would see it in very improbable regions more often.
 
patfada said:
The usual interpretation of the double slit experiment, when done with a single photon at a time, is that the photon must interfere with itself. However interference cannot be measured in a single-photon experiment - it requires a large number of photons to manifest a discernible interference pattern.

Suppose that each photon leaves a kind of "wake" in its path which persists over time, and it is the cumulative effect of these "wakes" which results in the observed interference pattern.

Might it be that the path of a given photon is influenced by the paths of the photons which have gone before it?

Well, if there is a hypothetical "wake": how is it that the interference appears or disappears only according to whether or not the which slit information is available - and has NOTHING to do with any wake?

And if there is a wake: what kind of wake do electrons, neutrons, molecules and other particles have? These also exhibit double slit interference.

If you hypothesize a new effect to solve one problem, it usually creates a lot MORE problems fitting in with existing theory. So be careful of ad hoc ideas like this.

By the way: Welcome to PhysicsForums, patfada!
 
patfada said:
The usual interpretation of the double slit experiment, when done with a single photon at a time, is that the photon must interfere with itself. However interference cannot be measured in a single-photon experiment - it requires a large number of photons to manifest a discernible interference pattern.

Suppose that each photon leaves a kind of "wake" in its path which persists over time, and it is the cumulative effect of these "wakes" which results in the observed interference pattern.

Might it be that the path of a given photon is influenced by the paths of the photons which have gone before it?

Patfada, welcome to the forum.

you can wait for a longer time interval between each photon...say 1 hour/day/month/year...you would still get an interference patter, after say, an year or more
 
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San K said:
Patfada, welcome to the forum.

you can wait for a longer time interval between each photon...say 1 hour/day/month/year...you would still get an interference patter, after say, an year or more

Thanks everyone for the responses.

I wonder what the record is for the slowest double-slit experiment? Has anyone actually seriously looked for a change in the observed interference pattern as the interval between photons is increased?
 
I found a related thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=508484

which references the paper AIP Conf. Proc. 810 (2006), 360 by Ghenadie N. Mardari:

Abstract. The hypothesis of quantum self-interference is not directly observable, but has at least three necessary implications. First, a quantum entity must have no less than two open paths. Second, the size of the interval between any two consecutive quanta must be irrelevant. Third, which-path information must not be available to any observer. All of these predictions have been tested and found to be false. A similar demonstration is provided for the hypothesis of quantum erasure. In contrast, if quanta are treated as real particles, acting as sources of real waves, then all types of interference can be explained with a single causal mechanism, without logical or experimental inconsistencies.

I'll attempt to read it but I doubt it will make much sense to me.

Thanks again for your responses
 

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