Can e^x+x=5 be solved without graphing using algebraic methods?

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The discussion revolves around the equation e^x + x = 5, exploring whether it can be solved using algebraic methods without graphing. Participants are considering the implications of the Lambert W-function in relation to the problem.

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  • Some participants question the rearrangement of the original equation and the validity of using logarithmic properties. Others mention the Lambert W-function as a potential method and discuss numerical solutions or iterative methods for approximating the root.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the solvability of the equation. While some assert that algebraic methods are insufficient, others explore the possibility of numerical solutions and iterative approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to approach the problem.

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Participants note the challenge of finding an exact solution and the potential need for computational tools. The discussion includes considerations of the nature of the functions involved and their intersections.

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Homework Statement



e^x+x=5

Homework Equations



Lambert W-function?

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I moved everything around and got: Ln(5-x)=5...
It doesn't really help.
I looked at wolframalpha, and it said I need the Lambert W-function (no clue what that is).

Can this equation be solved Without graphing it, only using algebraic methods?
 
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Nope, can't be solved with algebraic methods. It's Lambert W or a numerical solution.
 


You might want to check your rearrangement of the original equation.

What is ln(e^x)?
 


physicsdreams said:

Homework Statement



e^x+x=5

Homework Equations



Lambert W-function?

The Attempt at a Solution



I moved everything around and got: Ln(5-x)=5...
It doesn't really help.
I looked at wolframalpha, and it said I need the Lambert W-function (no clue what that is).

Can this equation be solved Without graphing it, only using algebraic methods?

What you want to do. IF you want to find exact solution then i think it is task of machines(wolfarmalpha) and too tough for me.
If you want to know the number of solutions this equations will have then. It is possible.
draw curve of e^x and 5-x.rough e^x curve is as a^x(a>0). and 5-x is straight line with slope -1. So these two curve will intersect each other at one point hence it will have one solution.
 


You can get the root of the equation with an iterative method for the desired accuracy. Rearrange the equation:

x=ln(5-x)

Choose an x0 <5, determine x1=ln(5-x0) as the next approximation. Substitute again, to get the next x and repeat the procedure: xk+1=ln(5-xk)

Starting with x=1, the following values are obtained: 1.386, 1.284, 1.312, 1.305, 1.307, 1.3064, 13066, 1.3066

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