Can fractions be simplified without guessing and checking?

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The discussion revolves around the methods for simplifying fractions without relying on memorization or guessing. Participants explore theoretical and practical approaches to determine if a fraction can be simplified, particularly focusing on large fractions like 99809/99907.

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  • One participant questions how to simplify fractions mathematically without memorization, using the example of 99809/99907.
  • Another suggests using highest common factor sieves as a potential method for simplification.
  • A participant proposes that a general method for simplification would involve finding the factors of both the numerator and denominator, although they express uncertainty about the feasibility of this approach.
  • It is noted that factorizing large numbers is a complex problem, which has implications for security in encryption systems.
  • Participants mention algorithms such as Euclid's Algorithm for finding the greatest common divisor to simplify fractions.
  • Additional algorithms for large numbers are referenced, including the Binary GCD algorithm and Lehmer's GCD algorithm.
  • One participant states that fractions can only be simplified if the numerator and denominator share common multiplicative factors, providing a trivial example of simplification.

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Participants express various methods and algorithms for simplifying fractions, but there is no consensus on a single approach or the feasibility of general factorization methods for all numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for simplification without guessing.

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Limitations include the complexity of factorizing large numbers and the dependence on specific algorithms, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of proposed methods.

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So, I was thinking about how we would simplify say 2/4 -> 1/2. But without any memorization and guessing and checking how do we know if a fraction can be simplified? I was looking all over the internet and I can't seem to find anything.

I am especially curious when it comes to a large fraction say 99809 / 99907. I am not a math whiz or anything... I was just curious how we can mathematically determine whether or not a fraction can be simplified. That is without any electronic means...
 
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Well, for instance, for 99809 / 99907 you might try things like highest common factor sieves?
 
Hmm, I may be in over my head, but I'll chime in anyways.

If you want to find a general, arbitrary way to determine if a fraction can be simplified, you (may) first need to determine a general way to find the factors of ANY number. A fraction simplifies when the numerator and denominator have a similar factor. So if you could, in general, reduce the numerator and denominator into products of factors, these similar factors would cancel out. I'm not entirely sure if this is possible or how you would go about doing it though.
 
Factorizing large numbers is, in fact, a difficult problem. We use this fact to encrypt, for example, credit card numbers. If you could do it in a short amount of time, our credit card systems would be much less secure.

But if you're looking at maybe just 3-5 digit numbers, there should be some algorithms out there that won't take too long. If you're looking at a 20+ digit numbers, then probably not.
 
Thanks for the responses.

@Matterwave I had no idea and that would explain why I can't find anything about it.
 
If you google "fraction simplification", you get about 4.8 million hits.

Fractions can be simplified only if the numerator and the denominator share common multiplicative factors.

For example, the utterly trivial \frac{2}{4} = \frac{2}{2\times2} = \frac{1}{2}

where the 2 in the numerator cancels with one of the 2s in the denominator
 

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