Can I get back into science/engineering after leaving?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential career transition of a participant with a PhD in theoretical physics who is considering a data mining job with a health insurance company. Participants explore whether this job could hinder future opportunities in science or engineering fields and discuss the relevance of data mining skills in various industries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any science generating a lot of data could benefit from data mining skills, implying broad applicability.
  • There is a viewpoint that having a data mining job on a resume would be more favorable than bartending when seeking future employment.
  • One participant recounts their own experience of securing a job through networking, suggesting that opportunities can arise unexpectedly.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of gaining experience, arguing that any job is better than none, and that data mining could lead to relevant opportunities in the future.
  • Some express skepticism about the idea that bartending is not a valid job, highlighting that many bartenders earn competitive salaries.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of personal preferences in job satisfaction, including factors like pay, interest, and work-life balance.
  • One participant notes that data mining experience may be more relevant to technical positions than bartending, but acknowledges that personal enjoyment of a job is also crucial.
  • Another participant shares a success story of someone who started in a low-level position and advanced to a high-paying role, suggesting that career paths can be unpredictable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that taking the data mining job could provide valuable experience, but there is no consensus on whether it would definitively hinder future opportunities in science or engineering. Multiple competing views on the value of different job experiences and personal preferences remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the relevance of data mining skills to future science or engineering roles, and there are unresolved questions about the impact of current job choices on long-term career trajectories.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals with advanced degrees in STEM fields considering career transitions, those interested in data analysis roles, and professionals exploring the value of diverse job experiences may find this discussion relevant.

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A tiny bit of background- a few years back I finished a phd in theoretical physics. I've spent the last few years pumping out resumes looking for work in a traditional technical field (I'm interested in any industry work where some knowledge of physics is useful). In the meantime, I've been making ends meet by tending bar.

This afternoon, a job for a large health insurance company sort of fell into my lap. Its essentially a data mining job. I'm almost certainly going to take it, but if I do am I killing off any chance of moving into a more science/engineering oriented job?

Are there science/engineering fields where a physics background coupled with insurance/data mining skills will make me more desirable?
 
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I would guess any science that generates a lot of data - and that's any science (isn't it!?) In one job I had we were looking for people to analyse a lot of user interface data, and someone with general data mining skills would have fitted the bill. In the end we had to hire someone without that background.

I would think this would be a great job for future prospects. *Might* even get you into analysing physics data...
 
I think when you are looking for jobs in the future, having this data mining job on your resume will certainly look better than tending bar. Go fo it.
 
I think when you are looking for jobs in the future, having this data mining job on your resume will certainly look better than tending bar

I wouldn't be so sure :) I got this job by chatting with a customer at the resort on a slow Wednesday. Turns out, he was in for a conference, we got to talking about problems with data and the next day he had a recruiter call me with a job offer. Maybe I should just wait until the resort hosts an engineering conference :)
 
ParticleGrl said:
I wouldn't be so sure :) I got this job by chatting with a customer at the resort on a slow Wednesday. Turns out, he was in for a conference, we got to talking about problems with data and the next day he had a recruiter call me with a job offer. Maybe I should just wait until the resort hosts an engineering conference :)

NO YOU FOOL! Take it! And i hope that was sarcasm on your last part too... TAKE THE DAM JOB BECAUSE EXPERIENCE >NOTHING!

You can do physics field any other time but right now you should get a job!
 
kramer733 said:
NO YOU FOOL! Take it! And i hope that was sarcasm on your last part too... TAKE THE DAM JOB BECAUSE EXPERIENCE >NOTHING!

You can do physics field any other time but right now you should get a job!

I was (hopefully obviously) joking about waiting for an engineering conference. I do, however, resent the idea that being a bartender is somehow not a job. Plenty of bartenders make more than science postdocs. I do agree that data mining experience will (hopefully) be more relevant to the sort of job I want, but working in a bar isn't something that gives you "NOTHING!"
 
PG, I really don't know enough about data mining to answer your question with any authority, but I do want to say *Congrats*!

Oh and, in my un-authoritative opinion: yeah, you should definitely take it. The reason you haven't been able to find work you want is because those jobs aren't there right now. Will they come back? Who knows. But it's better to be working in a mathy-technical field while we wait to see if they do.
 
You got to eat to live. Take the job.

That said, I am in no position to tell you that you'll be able to get a job working on research. However, you are more than qualified to work on it on the side as an amateur. That's often all it takes to get your foot in the door.
 
I wanted to second what lisab said with another Congrats. Good luck with everything.
 
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Congratulations ParticleGrl!

This kind of job I imagine will lead to many other potential roles in the future if that's the route you want to take.

Analyzing data is a very big growth industry because there is now so much data but no-one to analyze it effectively. I think these skills could be applied in many areas including scientific ones, so its a great thing you got this job.
 
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Glad to hear this. I've read on many threads that you were on the lookout for something more technical, and it was a bit sad for someone trained in pretty intense stuff not to find a somewhat technical job (it wouldn't have been sad if you preferred bartending though).
 
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The central limit theorem is related to renormalization, so you will already be working in QFT;)
 
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Would you enjoy the new job more than your current one? Any number of factors could weigh on the decision: more interesting, better pay, better hours, better opportunities in the future, etc. If you find the factors are more in favor of the new job, then take it! If not, don't!

I would say that if you are looking to get back into a technical position then data mining is probably more relevant than bartending. However, if what you want to do in science/engineering is not even close to data mining AND you happen to like your current position then maybe its best just to wait.

I'm at the point career wise where benefits such as flexible schedules and time-off are important to me. I would willingly take a less interesting job if it meant I had that flexibility. In the end, it is all about what is more important to you.

Good luck!
 
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ParticleGrl said:
I was (hopefully obviously) joking about waiting for an engineering conference. I do, however, resent the idea that being a bartender is somehow not a job. Plenty of bartenders make more than science postdocs. I do agree that data mining experience will (hopefully) be more relevant to the sort of job I want, but working in a bar isn't something that gives you "NOTHING!"

Good point - I know a philosophy graduate who started as a checkout person. He's now CEO for the same retailer and earning ten times as much as most physics professors! You might be better staying and working your way up. Do your employers have a fast track management programme?
 

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