Can Laplace's Equation Be Solved in Cylindrical Coordinates on a 3-Sphere?

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The discussion revolves around finding exact solutions to Laplace's equation in cylindrical coordinates on a subset of the 3-sphere. Participants explore the challenges posed by the non-separability of the equation in cylindrical coordinates and compare it to solutions in spherical coordinates, which are separable. The conversation includes technical details about boundary conditions and potential forms of solutions.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to solve Laplace's equation in cylindrical coordinates on a subset of the 3-sphere, noting that the equation is linear but not separable.
  • Another participant argues that boundary conditions require the solution to not approach infinity as r goes to 0, referencing the general solution in spherical coordinates involving spherical harmonics.
  • A later reply elaborates on the Newtonian potential outside a flat disk in cylindrical coordinates, providing a specific solution involving Bessel functions and discussing the relationship between constants in cylindrical and spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant introduces a different differential equation, seeking solutions in terms of well-known functions and proposing a non-separable series solution, while expressing concerns about the complexity of eigenvalues leading to non-physical results.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the solvability of the equations discussed. There are competing views on the nature of the solutions and the implications of boundary conditions, particularly regarding the behavior near the origin.

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Participants highlight the non-separability of the equation in cylindrical coordinates and the complications that arise when transitioning between coordinate systems. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific conditions that affect the proposed solutions.

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I wish to find exact solutions of Laplace's equation in cylindrical coordinates on (a subset of) the 3-sphere.
This pde is linear but not separable. The potential {\Phi}(x,z) must fulfil the following pde:

<br /> (1-{\frac{x^2}{a^2}}){\frac{{\partial}^2}{{\partial}x^2}}{\Phi}(x,z)+<br /> (1-{\frac{z^2}{a^2}}){\frac{{\partial}^2}{{\partial}z^2}}{\Phi}(x,z)+<br /> {\frac{1}{x}}(1-{\frac{3x^2}{a^2}}){\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}x}}{\Phi}(x,z)-<br /> {\frac{2xz}{a^2}}{\frac{{\partial}^2}{{\partial}x{\partial}z}}{\Phi}(x,z)-<br /> {\frac{3z}{a^2}}{\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}z}}{\Phi}(x,z)=0<br />

Here a is a constant (and x,z&lt;a, z{\neq}0). Does anyone know how to solve this equation?
(I'm aware that a transformation of this equation to spherical coordinates yields a separable pde, but
this gives a bunch of useless solutions blowing up near the origin.)
 
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No, it doesn't. One of the "boundary conditions" for a problem like that is that it NOT go to infinity as r goes to 0.

The general solution to the Laplace's equation in spherical coordinates involves a double sum, over l and m, of things like (amlrl+ bml/rl+1)Ylm(theta, phi) where Ylm(theta, phi) are the spherical harmonics. If your region includes the origin, then one of the conditions must be that all bml are 0.
 
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No, it doesn't. One of the "boundary conditions" for a problem like that is that it NOT go to infinity as r goes to 0.

The general solution to the Laplace's equation in spherical coordinates involves a double sum, over l and m, of things like (amlrl+ bml/rl+1)Ylm(theta, phi) where Ylm(theta, phi) are the spherical harmonics. If your region includes the origin, then one of the conditions must be that all bml are 0.

Let me state the problem in more detail. I wish to find the Newtonian potential outside a flat, very thin disk lying in
the surface z=0 in cylindrical coordinates. If one first solves Laplace's equation in cylindrical coordinates in ordinary
Euclidean space, the solution is given by (from MAPLE)
<br /> {\exp}(-kz)[C_1J_0(kx)+C_2Y_0(kx)] , \qquad (z&gt;0), <br />
where k, C_1, C_2 are constants and J_0, Y_0 are Bessel functions of the first and second kind, respectively (C_2 is set to zero for physical reasons). Since k is a continuous parameter, solutions can be summed by integration over k, and using Gauss theorem over the disk, and moreover Hankel transforms, we can find the potential in the disk for any given density distribution. All this is standard stuff. On the other hand, if one changes to spherical coordinates, the solution is
<br /> {\Big [}C_3r^{-1/2+{\sqrt{1+4C}}/2}+C_4r^{-1/2-{\sqrt{1+4C}}/2}]{\Big ]}<br /> {\Big [}C_5P^0_{-1/2+{\sqrt{1+4C}}/2} ({\cos}{\theta})+C_6Q^0_{-1/2+{\sqrt{1+4C}/2}}({\cos}{\theta}){\Big ]} <br />,
where C, C_3,C_4, C_5, C_6 are constants, and P^{\mu}_{\nu}, Q^{\mu}_{\nu} are Legendre functions of the first and second kind, respectively. However, if one reinserts cylindrical coordinates into this solution, it is not clear to me how to get back the above solution involving Bessel functions in a simple manner, and how the constants k and C are related.

Now for the similar problem on a subset of the 3-sphere. Laplace's equation on a subset of the 3-sphere is separable in spherical coordinates, and again the solution involves Legendre functions (but this time with non-zero order).
However, in cylindrical coordinates the equation is non-separable. If there is a simple way of taking the solution for the equation in spherical coordinates, reinsert cylindrical coordinates into this solution and then get something that resembles the flat space solution involving Bessel functions, that would be great. However I don't know how to do that even in the Euclidean case. So it seems that I have to find solutions of the non-separable pde after all.
 
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Guys I need help to solve this differential equation:

(1-x^2)~\frac{\partial ^2 F(x,y)}{\partial x^2}+\left(\frac{1-2x^2}{x}\right)~\frac{\partial F(x,y)}{\partial x}-\left[ax^2(1-2y^2)-c\right]~F(x,y)=0 where a and c are constants and x and y are the variables

Does this have a solution in terms of well known functions? Mathematica could not find any so I proposed a non separable series solution of the form :

\sum_{n}\sum_{p}C_{n,p} x^n y^p

But the problem is when I tried to find the eigenvalues of the formed matrix it got too complicated and c (which is a constant in terms of the energy of the system) turned out to be complex in some cases! I want real values as the system would not be physical..can anyone help me in this matter please.

Thanks
 

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