Can Neutrino Detectors Predict Supernovae?

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The discussion centers on the potential for neutrino detectors to predict supernova events, exploring the mechanisms by which neutrinos are emitted during supernovae and the feasibility of using these detections for early warning systems in astronomy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that neutrino detectors can anticipate supernovae by detecting neutrinos that are emitted shortly before the visible light from the explosion reaches Earth.
  • Others note that while neutrinos arrive before light, the detection of these particles is challenging and may not be efficient enough for reliable predictions.
  • A participant mentions the existence of a notification system among observatories for incoming photon streams, referencing a specific gamma-ray burst (GRB) detection as an example.
  • There is a discussion about the Swift space observatory's role in providing early warnings for gamma-ray bursts, with some questioning whether other systems direct Swift's observations.
  • One participant highlights the potential for detecting neutrinos from pre-supernovae, suggesting that these could provide alerts hours to days before the core collapse, which could allow for targeted observations.
  • Another participant points out that the SNEWS (Supernova Early Warning System) has not been active since 2012, raising concerns about its current status.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and reliability of neutrino detection for predicting supernovae. There is no consensus on whether this method is practical or efficient, and the discussion includes both optimistic and skeptical perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the efficiency of neutrino detection methods and the varying timescales for neutrino emissions relative to the visible light from supernovae. The discussion also touches on the status of existing systems like SNEWS, which may affect the reliability of predictions.

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Is it true that professional and amateur astronomers can anticipate supernova photon-stream by means of neutrino detectors, how does it works?
 
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Supernovae release neutrinos a bit before the burst of visible light can leave the star. They arrive on Earth a bit earlier than light, and neutrino detectors can detect them (if the supernova is close enough).
 
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It seems various observatory are linked with sort of notification system about incoming photon stream as this message is telling... "The untriggered optical detection of GRB 130427A by CRTS makes this one of the few GRBs that have been detected without prior knowledge of the event".
http://www.astronomerstelegram.org/?read=5042
 
Romulo Binuya said:
It seems various observatory are linked with sort of notification system about incoming photon stream as this message is telling... "The untriggered optical detection of GRB 130427A by CRTS makes this one of the few GRBs that have been detected without prior knowledge of the event".
http://www.astronomerstelegram.org/?read=5042

Yes, it one of the tasks of the Swift space observatory to give early warning of gamma ray bursts.
 
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That's interesting article about Swift it had observed 500 GRB! Maybe there is another system that tells Swift to look in those particular direction? I'll find out :-)
 
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Neutrinos are exceedingly difficult to detect, and arrive only seconds [at best] before EM photons. It's not a very efficient detection method.
 
I found SNEWS, but their website it seems is in hiatus... no activity since 2012.
http://snews.bnl.gov/
 
Chronos said:
Neutrinos are exceedingly difficult to detect, and arrive only seconds [at best] before EM photons. It's not a very efficient detection method.
Minutes to hours according to SNEWS. Enough time to alert scientists and to look in the right direction with telescopes.
 
These responses are talking about the detection of the neutrinos emitted after the core has collapsed. However, even before the core has collapsed, the number of neutrinos emitted increases dramatically as the temperature of the core increases and core nuclear burning progresses to higher temperature reactions such as silicon burning. There is a possibility of detecting these neutrinos from nearby pre-supernovae as much as hours to days before the core actually collapses, which would allow us to direct instruments at the star and watch the actual core collapse events. These pre-collapse neutrinos could be detected by neutrino detectors which are currently in the planning stages. I've attached an article that discusses this in more detail
 

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